Imran Khan no doubt does not have a very envious past, but is he responsible for the mess we are in?
Is he responsible for deaths of 40000 people of the country (since he calls for peace talks)? When he calls for talks he is taleban khan and when Nawaz Sharif does the same he is a statesman.
Is there any role of the state (army/ISI, PMLN and PPP who have been ruling the country for the past 40 years)?
Is there a role of the party which brought various militant groups together to form taleban in 96?
Is there a role of that party which has been tolerating LEJ in their province?
Is there a role of the army which differentiates between various taleban groups?
Is there a role of the intelligence agencies who have not been able to arrest even one of the top tier of the taleban movement in various operations (during the past decade)?
Is there the role of the state which allowed taleban to spread from Afghanistan to Waziristan and from there to the rest of the country?
Is there any role of the state which sublet its foreign policy goals to militant organizations?
What about allowing militant groups to make inroads into rural areas due to the impotence of the state (in the garb of relief work during natural emergencies).
Is there any role of the state which has brainwashed a big proportion of its population during the past four decades through its media and education system?
Imran Khan certainly has many flaws, but he is not responsible for what Pakistan is going through at the moment. I believe that the media has been cruel (unfair would be an understatement) with him.
Who cares lets punch Imran Khan, he is Taleban Khan.
Irony is unmistakable. There are 60-70 groups of taleban in the country at the moment, which have only multiplied over the years. The guy who calls for peace talks (to bifurcate these groups) is Taleban Khan but no questions are raised to those who played their roles in the creation of these groups in the first place? Why the army still considers some groups as enemies and ignores others?
He is supporting the Kuffar , Munkareen e Shareat Murtadeen Taliban killers since long .
So he is honored with this name
Calling for negotiations with someone, and 'supporting' them are two different things. Your logic is quite skewed, because if that logic is to be used, the recent and past history of the Bhutto, and now the Zardari family will take you to uncharted territories.
Irony is unmistakable. There are 60-70 groups of taleban in the country at the moment, which have only multiplied over the years. The guy who calls for peace talks (to bifurcate these groups) is Taleban Khan but no questions are raised to those who played their roles in the creation of these groups in the first place? Why the army still considers some groups as enemies and ignores others?
Unfortunately, that is how power hungry parties work. They create a menace for their personal goals.. And when it gets out of hand, they blame it on others. The US did the same with the afghan mujahideen, where they armed and funded them against USSR, but after that, all bets were off. PPP did the same with Afghan mujahideen in the 70s, and with the taliban in the 90s. And now all of a sudden, it is Imran Khan's problem.
ZAB for Initial Afghan policy, employed Hikmatyaar
ZIA for further extending Afghan policy and all the mess in 80s inside Pakistan (including Shia/Sunni extremism, KK culture, drugs etc etc under his nose)
BB/NS for not showing leadership and controlling situation on either sides of the borders.
BB for assembling Taliban (even adventerous military establishment was behind it, she was incharge)
Musharraf for not securing borders with Afghanistan, resulting in easy access and hideouts for radicals that later resulted in drones and retaliations with suicide bombing across the country.
Blaming other countries or super powers for regional expansionism inside our own top brass/think tank will not help. Time for some cool minded folks to rethink the last 40 years of events on both sides of borders and redifine Afghan policy. Which should be in the best interest for both countries. You just cannot rule other nation just because they share same religion as yours. Honor the Int'l borders and respect sovereignty, else your own will not be honored (the current situation exactly).
Imran Khan certainly has many flaws, but he is not responsible for what Pakistan is going through at the moment. I believe that the media has been cruel (unfair would be an understatement) with him.
Who cares lets punch Imran Khan, he is Taleban Khan.
The media has not been cruel to him. He deserves more condemnation then he gets for confusing people in delaying fight against Taliban, and in the end resulting in more and more death of common people.
however, he alone is not responsible for doing so. He is supported in his Taliban cause by likes of Munawwar Hasan, Samiul Haq, Fazlur, and Nawaz/Shahbaz duo.
But what is true is that media has not gone after these other Taliban supporters.
The media has not been cruel to him. He deserves more condemnation then he gets for confusing people in delaying fight against Taliban, and in the end resulting in more and more death of common people.
however, he alone is not responsible for doing so. He is supported in his Taliban cause by likes of Munawwar Hasan, Samiul Haq, Fazlur, and Nawaz/Shahbaz duo.
But what is true is that media has not gone after these other Taliban supporters.
During the past 10 years taleban has grown from a rag tag militant group to one having more than 70 groups with tentacles through out the country. What role has PPP/MQM duo played in preventing the fall of taleban in Karachi? Did PPP hang (even) one terrorist in their period? Oh I forgot IK is responsible for that too. Its evident that no one answers the questions I have asked in the opening post which gives a glimpse into who the actual culprits are and who the punching bag is.
What role has PPP/MQM duo played in preventing the fall of taleban in Karachi? Oh I forgot IK is responsible for that too.
May I?
They just keep on chanting 'sher aaya , sher aaya...' not for the sake of city, but in fear of their vested interests.. land mafia.. bhatta khori..... etc, etc
...He is supported in his Taliban cause by likes of Munawwar Hasan, Samiul Haq, Fazlur, and Nawaz/Shahbaz duo.
You have actually just ruled in favour of the case Ali has put forward. The Sharifs who rule over 60% of Pakistan with 6 years in power on a stretch come last in your list of evildoers. This is actually the real state of mind of the media that puts Imran over and above anyone in the country, including Mehsoods and Mullah Radio, for throwing the country in this violent chaos. Ironically, I find the Sharifs and other political parties less critical of Imran than the media.
On the other hand, it actually reflects that people and the media actually believe that Imran matters the most in the country than any premier and general?
THIS is a great thread and i guarantee you will never get any answers except "Oh he confused the nation". Really? The person who had no representation in parliament till 8 months ago managed to confuse the nation for 10 years? Even if he confused the nation then why couldn't Musharaff in his 5 years and PPP/MQM in their 5 years fix Talibans up?? How on earth could Imran Khan practically influence ANYTHING when his party was nowhere in those 10 years except for appearance in talkshows? Isn't it a fact that Talibans kept getting strong at a time when parties in absolute control post 9/11 were Mush & PPP/MQM/ANP who were by no means pro Taliban?
You have actually just ruled in favour of the case Ali has put forward. **The Sharifs who rule over 60% of Pakistan with 6 years in power on a stretch come last in your list of evildoers. **This is actually the real state of mind of the media that puts Imran over and above anyone in the country, including Mehsoods and Mullah Radio, for throwing the country in this violent chaos. Ironically, I find the Sharifs and other political parties less critical of Imran than the media.
On the other hand, it actually reflects that people and the media actually believe that Imran matters the most in the country than any premier and general?
I don't know what world you live in. In the list of evil doers, Sharifs come on top of the list. That is known fact. Sharif's party has said on record that they have same ambitions as Taliban. They are in alliance with Sipah e Sahaba, and thus directly responsible for sectarian violence in the country. I had a thread about Nawaz where I called him threat to Pakistani security.
Similarly, it is obvious that JI and JUI all factions are Talibani parties themselves that deserve to be banned and their leaders hanged.
All of the above is given. But what is also given is that Imran is not much different from the above parties as well.
Now this is something blind followers of Imran refuse to acknowledge. They consider him new hope to Pakistan. And they overlook the lack of difference between Imran and other religious nuts like Nawaz.
what people need to say is that there is no difference between Imran, Nawaz, or JI. Nawaz and JI, JUI want to lead us towards talibanization of Pakistan. And Imran is no different.
is this what Ali said? NO. He is merely trying to shift the blame from this Taliban Niazi mian. But just because others share the blame, it does not mean that Imran Taliban not be condemned.
So much for Islam being the religion of peace and what not, it is actually in the West where talking about peace is considered a nobel act. Statesmanship, diplomacy and dialogue are extremely valued in West and it makes up for a very important part of their culture. What exactly is valued in third world countries like Pakistan: guns and bombs?
In no civilised country, IK would have been demonised, ridiculed, attacked for adovating dialogue as a way of ending war which has collectively cost trillions of dollors and thousands of lives. At best, he would've been simply ignored just like plenty of anti war politicans and activists in the West. But in Pakistan, oh no, his head must be chopped off for having a different opinion! No wonder Muslims countries are drenched in blood simply because this type of self satisfying extremisn is so rife. So much political intolerance and passion for violence. I'm sorry, but Islam or Muslim stands for peace has to be one the greatest ironies of the present world.
Ironically, there are people who actually hate Imran more than Taliban! It's so darn obvious and such people and their violent hate must not be taken seriously.
