Imran Khan meets US lawmakers, seeks aid cut to Pakistan.

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Faisal bro! you bring out good points about Jihadis. However I doubt that Imran the Shugal maila guy would have done anything as bad as Jihadis.

But your right. Our non-democratic parties are all useless and they cannot bring democracy in the country. Look at Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, and even India.

Many parties in South Asia are only surviving becuase they are run by either a dynasty (Gandhi, Bhutto, Lallu, Mayavathi, Hasina wajid, Khalid Zia), or ethno-racial flag (MQM etc), or religious flag (BJP, JI).

And these British-Indian Political Parties keep on wrecking havoc with their respective countries.

And still people in Pakistan say, only if we give 10 more years to this party or that, we'll get democracy.

Reality is that you can never get democracy from non-democratic jagiri, fiefdom, mafioso parties. Remember you can beat a dead horse for 200 years, it still will be deader than the door knob.

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very good post. i agree 100% with your analysis. one solution to the problem of having bad political parties is to get the control of the economy out of the hands of politicians. in south asia, socialism has been the model of choice which has resulted in damage done by politicians getting magnified. in pakistan, army has a stake in the well being of the economy because army cant buy weapons if the economy is being run to the ground. from what i have seen, it appears to me that army leadership recognises this fact and hopefully should keep politicians in line when they start acting like jackasses.

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Wait...so the army should control the economy?!

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Tegs bro! The answer is "Yes but army should be in the background".

In this day and age, packaging sells. And I hope some nice looking chap (and not ugly ducklings like somro or Jamali or Altaf, or Shujat) should be in the forefront.

I was hoping BB will be that "good looking" wrap around the military so we keep the politiko fingers out of the cookie jar. Sadly she is gone now.

Shahbaz could be another good chap to work closely with the army and get our economy going.

Ultimately the persence of army is going to be there, because our British-Indian political party system (BrIPPS) doesn't allow self-policing. A truly democratic party, open and fair "internal" elections, can self police. However our parties run by personality cults, race, ethnicity, and dynasties cannot. Sadly.

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no. army should act as a guarantor of property rights. for example, if zardari or nawaz sharif force banks to lend money to their cronies as was the case in the 90's, then army should kick their ass. similarly army should take action against politicians when state assets are sold to political cronies without public bidding. all pakistani politicians are incompetent and 99% are corrupt. its only through army dunda they they can be kept in line.

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Aaah, one more to be "in" statement from our only patriotic leader. It will not a shock for me , if he is Isi/Cia puppet.

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So it means you have no solution, alright.

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And what exactly has army done in last 8 years?

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all pakistani politicians are incompetent and 99% are corrupt. its only through army dunda they they can be kept in line.
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How is army different? Don't they belong to same country and population which gives rise to corrupt politicians?

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Imran Khan has proven today that he is a total idiot. What kind of patriot snatches the food away from the people he dreams to represent.

This move by Imran Khan proves how desperate he his. He has failed to win the heats of the Pakistani awam, and now he is desperate to win the hearts of the Americans.

This is why democracy will never work in Pakistan...Opposition members do everything in their power to destory the administration in power to create kios, hunger, and destablization so then like vultures they can cease power. The only loser of this tactic is Pakistan and the Pakistani awam...shameful really

Sad...really sad to see a smart individual do such things.

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^^ great post, same my thoughts..now immi supporters going to be crazy .. :rotfl:

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You guys please decide first whether the $1billion dollar Pakistan is getting from US is being used for feeding Pakistani population or is it reimbursement of expenses incurred by Pakistan.

yeah, he was jailed because Musharraf wanted to save him from awam :rotfl:

ballay ballay, Pakistan army rule ballay ballay.

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US is funding the cost of the war on terror as well as providing money to army needs. so Pak government's own money can be used on health, education and feeding population. Its all connected, not easy for Imran to understand.

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Was that population starving before all this aid? Let me know the number of people who were starving, thank you. Unless you mean some people who were eating "roti" are now eating "paratha" :)

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Absolutely right. People like Imran Khan on the one hand complain the govt. should do more, but on the other hand ask for the aid to be stopped. If the military aid is stopped, this will indeed affect the exchequer.

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And halt the grand economic growth? :p

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More than anything Imran said I think the real news is that he was given audience by all the Washington political establishment. Obviously they see him as the replacement for late Benazir Bhutto.

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Mr.Ehtasab, any better period of economic growth come to mind?...please share with facts and figures!

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Mr Paki_man did you really get the question?

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Well, USA is giving £200 million, not £1 billion as help to Pakistan in reducing poverty and provide basic needs, like infrastructure, schooling and health. Rest, USA is giving nothing other than reimbursement of what they get. If they would not give for the services and goods they get, they would not get what they are getting. If USA stops that $200 million dollars they give as buddet support, than Pakistan would reduce some expenses in developments. Pakistan spends $30 billion ($30000 million dollars from their own resources, $200 million dollars is 0.7 percent and if that would stop .. it may stop a bit of development in the country, still I do not think that it would matter that much).

Requirement of American forces in Afghanistan is coming through Pakistan, from their food, clothing, health needs, ammunition, or movements in and out of Afghanistan. If they do not want to use Pakistan to get their requirements, they can find some other ways to get it, no problem.

As for ‘war on terror’ on Pakistani side, their expenses is mostly getting met by Pakistan. Even if USA stop all payment and leave Afghanistan to rot like dead dog, still Pakistan would be fighting these terrorists and extremists, not for USA but for Pakistan.

No country, neither Pakistan can allow armed bandits in one part of Pakistan challenging Pakistani laws, controlling life of people in that area, and making a large chunk of mentally deficient Pakistanis into Zombies.

[And yes: What I know, total what Pakistan received from USA in all payments until present since Musharraf came to power, that includes reimbursement of American own expenses is I think $8.7 billion, not $10 billion. on the other hand, Pakistan has already paid interest on debt that pre-Musharraf took is over £80 billion (just interest … and half of that is in dollars) … plus Pakistan during last 8 years has already accumulated $16 billion dollars in reserve.

So, this $200 million dollars budget support a year since last few years is just a drop in the ocean. Though it helps but still, that is not life line by any means. Just compare that to Pakistan stock market .. valuation of Pakistan stock market has increased from around $4 billion dollars in 1999 to $70 billion dollars today … so what is this $200 million dollars?].

Well, if Musharraf was dictator (as you believe) and wanted to save Imran from awam, than Imran would not have been in jail, but would have been with ‘Sita White’ on other side. This is how dictatorship works :rotfl:.

Pakistan army has many drawbacks, but at least Pakistan army is from Awam (people from working class). I think that very few in Pakistan army is from parasite class stealing and living on poor people’s money or on agricultural lands that were given to them because they sold their area and soul to British and today they are exploiting poor workers on those lands as big Landlords or Sardars. These people who sold the country throughout history would like to sell Pakistan too, for peanuts in their bank accounts.

I am not against democracy … but that has to be democracy, not democratic monarchy, democratic anarchy, or democratic colonization by thieves belonging to a class of society who always lived in history of the area to loot, plunder and exploit masses.

These people are product of foreign invasion to the area, and always look at foreign masters to serve them and gain from them, Hence these are different people than army (who know them a bit) or even illiterate masses (who do not recognize them).

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Imran Khan is a reasonable hope for Pakistan. It will take time and I would assume it may be 10-20 years but he will become the most popular leader. He is not afraid of any accountability and hence wants a free and independent judiciary. Unfortunately no currupt leader can let judiciary be free and independent. And today Pakistani awaam has finally been able to understand what Imran Khan meant by free and independent judiciary 9 years ago. PTI was formed on the very mission to ask for insaaf.