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sigh I hate editorials. They ignore facts. Like 50% of Scientists in the US are infact creationists. If you have any doubts about this - google the issue.
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^ the figure i've read is much lower. please cite your source.
Imran Khan's positions are becoming worse and worse.....
If we do not encourage the young to think and reason for themselves, how can we expect them to discover anything new? The essence of scientific enquiry lies in curiosity about how the world works, how matter was formed, and how life came into being. Perhaps curiosity about the universe is what sets mankind apart from the animal kingdom.
Well, there are people who support and who reject Darwinism. Disregarding the fact whether Imran is right or wrong about it, I am sure that a majority of our politicians wouldn't even know who Darwin was or what he did!
if IK wants to impose shariah, why wait till he has power? start with himself, wheres his beard?
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More demands from Imran Khan for Sharia in support of Taliban in swat.
http://www.express.com.pk/images/NP_LHE/20090122/Sub_Images/1100558944-1.gif
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Evolution is a fact! and being a muslim I can still believe it but not as presented by the western scientists.
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End of IK bashing on this issue:-
Reponse to Imran Khan versus Charles Darwin by Omar Cheema > Insaf Forum > Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf
Im sure foes of IK will come up with another fake IK bashing issue so lets wait and see what they come up wit. 
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Evolution may be a half-baked theory, but what other scientific thoery we have, which explains how species came along. Darwin's evolution is the only attempt to explain it. He was not a shooting in the dark, atleast some evidence suggests that. The only problem is that evolution cannot be tested in the lab, but that does not necessarily make it wrong or completely untrue.
IK should stop playing scientist, politician, mullah or visionary. He is not any of these (may be mullah).
What is fake about the original story? PTI spokesman Cheema just ran around the issue without denying anything or even saying anything of substance.
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^ I can't see from the posted news article whether Imran is supporting Talibanic sharia or actual sharia. Theoritically Imran Khan's words could be okay if he is talking about actual sharia and not Talibanic.
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^ nobody knows what actual sharia is.
actually i just read the urdu article, and its a very reasonable point of view. he says swat has diverse sects, which sharia should be in place? and he doesnt put it on the war on terror etc, infact says that this problem is from the partition, even says america has nothing to do with it. which to me is a major departure from my impression of him.
given all that i dont see how what version of sharia he does say he'll impose there, but atleast he acknowledges complexities.
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A muslim is who lives by the sharia! Why are we soo scared to follow the Nabi?? (PBUH)
Look in the context Data, he was referring to Baluchistan and its a province of Pakistan. Whatever is happening their elected government has consensus on it the only way to change the policy is through vote !
NOTE: Feel free to quote this post in a relevant thread, don't divert this one.
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^ nobody knows what actual sharia is.
actually i just read the urdu article, and its a very reasonable point of view. he says swat has diverse sects, which sharia should be in place? and he doesnt put it on the war on terror etc, infact says that this problem is from the partition, even says america has nothing to do with it. which to me is a major departure from my impression of him.
given all that i dont see how what version of sharia he does say he'll impose there, but atleast he acknowledges complexities.
Im glad you clarified that
Im glad you clarified that
Its because I am not emotionally invested in Imran Khan and therefore can acknowledge where hes right along with where hes wrong.
Now him saying that the Swat situation has nothing to do with America, and tracing the roots back to partition, directly contradicts what you've been saying in the other thread: that everything was good before Musharraf came, and its only Musharrafs fault. Do you disagree with him on that?
I should say I dont entirely agree with him, I feel Musharraf should have been able to beat off these guys more effectively, and that indicates either incompetence or collusion. The same about the current lot.
Its because I am not emotionally invested in Imran Khan and therefore can acknowledge where hes right along with where hes wrong.
Neither do I, as hes not my chachey da puttar, nor do I support him based on ethnic lines, like some people based their support for the dictator before.
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Now him saying that the Swat situation has nothing to do with America, and tracing the roots back to partition, directly contradicts what you've been saying in the other thread: that everything was good before Musharraf came, and its only Musharrafs fault. Do you disagree with him on that?
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First tell me this, how did you assume I agree with Imran's views on Swat? Again you are assuming things yet again. I dont even think Imran's blaming the Govt like the way he should be. First you need to tell the Swatis it was a screw up orchestrated by the previous Govt, the army was merely following orders. Then you should try and restore confidence. What you need NOT do is what PCG and the others are saying here, just label them as the bad guys, curse and yell at them and later throw bombs at them.
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I should say I dont entirely agree with him, I feel Musharraf should have been able to beat off these guys more effectively, and that indicates either incompetence or collusion. The same about the current lot.
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Musharraf was more interested in retaining his kursi and this Swat messed helped him significantly.
Neither do I, as hes not my chachey da puttar, nor do I support him based on ethnic lines, like some people based their support for the dictator before.
First tell me this, how did you assume I agree with Imran's views on Swat? Again you are assuming things yet again. I dont even think Imran's blaming the Govt like the way he should be. First you need to tell the Swatis it was a screw up orchestrated by the previous Govt, the army was merely following orders. Then you should try and restore confidence. What you need NOT do is what PCG and the others are saying here, just label them as the bad guys, curse and yell at them and later throw bombs at them.
I am yet to see you diverge from Imran's position on anything, and not just that, you tend to be a rather aggressive defender of him. Thus the query on whether you support him on this too.
Now about what you're saying needs to be done, I'd say force needs to be tempered, however no mercy needs to be shown to the leaders and high/mid level operatives. They've been involved in heinous crimes, and your approach tends to whitewash their sins, much as someone would say if you want to provide justice to people victimized by MQM we should go and shoot at the grave of Zia ul Haq.
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Musharraf was more interested in retaining his kursi and this Swat messed helped him significantly.
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I see how that can be said for waziristan/fata, not so much for Swat.