Imran Khan commits to curb militant groups including Jamat Dawa

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Change is not a random thing, it is process, will Imran khan as a prime minister will be able to bring the complete process of change to a conclusive end?

Secondly, Imran here has changed from historical political position of pakistan on Kashmir issue, I found it strange? no objection to Jamat uddawa or insaniyat brigade if they are not into terrorism.

and agreed with IK on shireen Mazri, she has right to have opinion on matters, democracy guarantees that, personal view and party views can be different at times, non violent right wing should be taken into confidence while making policy decision.

And after Lahore Jalsa, we in India are equally hopeful that we will be able to solve most of the issues, if not all with Pakistan. Good luck to IK. Lets see what future has got for all of us

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this has everything to do with india, read the bold parts in the first post (the parts of interview transcript)... the indian journalists specifically asking for them talking against india... and both LeT and JUD have no history of operating anywhere other than Indian Occupied Kashmir... its only USA/ India now trying to paint them as some bigwigs and trying to operate all over the world.

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I agree with your first paragraph.

As far as maslak part is concerned, all students of different maslaks used to pray together. It was only this maslak which used to pray when everyone used to go after praying. And thats what we see now the ttp consider the rest of pakistanis (who dont subscribe to their hate philosophy) as mushrik or kafir therefore wajib ul qatal. I personally dont believe in the way how some people use the grave yards, but the specific attacks on the graves, shias and barelvis is due to the brainwashing that began with praying separately.

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i don't know their stance so i cannot comment on what they think of other people religiously, but isnt it possible that someone is more stead fast on what he believes and chose to follow it no matter what other think? while other may care more fore being politically correct all the time? anyway, i dont want to get into religion related debate here...

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Beautiful post!. Completely spoke my mind from word to word.

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I think it's a good and well thought policy statement. This statement was more for international community then for Pakistani's having soft corner for militant organizations.

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Well for one i do agree that there should NO infaltration of militants from Azad Kashmir to IOK for sake of peace. The dialoge process should start which should include all Kashmiri leaders. With that said, eventually Kashmir becomes an independent state and symbol of peace between two rivals.

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imran khan has become a mature politician , in this interview what he has said , i pray from god should realise in future and he becomes a powerful prime minister who can show army generals their real place where they would only wait for orders of prime ministers instead of dictating terms and sharing power with other interested parties. i hope this message he is giving to all domestic and international
audiences alike.

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This is rich. So before he was all about negotiating with Taliban, and saying we are their brothers etc etc. Now when he has a chance at premiership, he is suddenly against extremist groups? Sounds to me like he is just getting in some brownie points with Uncle Sam.

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When did IK ever say that he was okay with terrorist group activities inside Pakistan?

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When did he say he was against them before? All I have ever heard from him is recrimination against the govt for fighting the Taliban and their ilk. Seems suspicious that now when he is suddenly on the cusp of power, that he should come out with such statements.

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I've heard him say that he is against terrorist activity in Pakistan's borders several times. I'm surprised that you haven't.

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This is the closest anyone has come to say in public that if he names specific groups he will be killed by them!

So he is going to say 'he will control all terrorist groups' and then once he comes to power, try to play with this is not a terrorist but mujahideen type of games.

That is one possibility.

The other is he has matured and recognized that supporting terrorists under whatever other names is bad for the world including Pakistan and so wants to do the right thing.

Let's hope it is the latter

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Karan Thapar: The Indian people are hearing you as you as you speak tonight. They’ve known you as a cricketer, they’ve admired you and some have even loved you.** Is this a promise you’re making them?
Imran Khan: I am not only making a promise to the Indian people, I think I am making a promise to anyone. The biggest problem the United States faces, you know they worry about terrorism from Pakistani soil. Its not just India who is worried. If I cannot stop terrorism from Pakistani soil, I would rather not be the Prime Minister.
Karan Thapar: And that is a promise you’re making the Indian people tonight, here and now?
Imran Khan: To every people, not just Indian people. At the moment the Afghans are complaining, the Europeans, the Americans, everyone, any terrorism is blamed on Pakistan.
Karan Thapar: But tonight you’re talking to an Indian audience and the promise you’re making the Indian people is that if you become Prime Minister there will be no terror attacks on India launched from Pakistani soil?pagal host!:mad:

**Imran Khan: Yes and I would like to think that the Indians would also guarantee us that we should have no problems, either in Balochistan or the areas where Indian agencies are blamed. So we should base our relationship on trust and when I guarantee them, I will stand by it.
:k:

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Will stop terror groups if elected PM: Imran
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this is a bold and honest statement from a positive man , but taang khenchne wale apna kaam shuru kar chuke hai.

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There is an almost consensus in Pakistan that we do not want any sort of militant groups/mujahideen, freedom fighter. justified or unjustified operating from Pakistan. There was a unanimous resolution on this by our parliamentarians. Our military leadership, although being an Indian you will not believe this, is of the same opinion.

We have suffered the most in past ten years as far as terrorism is concerned. We have lost 35,000 lives in terrorist related incidents. More than 150.000 people have lost their limbs or are permanently disabled due these incidents. Our economy has suffered because of this problem. We just want to live peacefully.. and want to concentrate inward on our economy and peace.

Had these terrorists been 100% in our state control.. we could have saved 35,000 lives of our innocent people. We could have prevented the damage to our economic interests. We are trying to fight this menace in our country.. and certainly do not want this to go across the borders to any other country including India.

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Jamat e Dawa was previously named as Lashkar e Taiba. I don't care if they are doing some charitable work.. but I know for sure they have created a very bad perception for our country. How much they were actual culprits is beyond the point. I know because of this perception created by them.. my country suffered economically, physically.. and in any other manner conceivable.

Talking hate against India does not make you a bigger patriot. I want to create jobs in Pakistan.. and I claim to be a bigger patriot contributing more positively than people who just spit hate on India and others.. My work is hindered due to this perception when I am trying to attract market for my export goods. My work is hindered when I am try to source technologies in our country due to reluctance of people to work/travel to Pakistan. We have a huge under employed young work force.. I want to contribute by generating business to employ these young under employed.. I don't care really what India is doing.

As far as Kashmir is concerned, let them fight their own war. I don't want to fight their war, I don't want my country to fight their war. I want to fight my own economic war as I have 180 million countrymen living in a pathetic economic situation.

Enough of this global policeman/global jihadi/global agendas... We are not in a position to uplift ourselves at the moment. Why are we dying to indulge ourselves in these global disputes.

I want a better perception for my country.. I want a better enabling business/economic environment in my country. Jamat Dawa/Lahkar Taiba has destroyed the positive perception about my country. They are responsible for economic destruction of my country. I want them completely banned. We will not allow our soil to be used for militant activities of any sort against our countrymen or anyone else in the world.. no matter if the angels from heaven come to do that. I don't care about the petty charitable work by them.. We don't want charity.. we want to create business/work...

If IK said he will put Kashmir issue on the back burner I am with him.. If IK said he will curb militant activities of what so ever sort.. I am 100% with him.. and I claim to be the biggest patriot.. I don't want a lecture on patriotism..

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Mr Patriot, go back and read the post you quoted... nobody is talking about who is patriot and how you become one, genius... it was about how talking against india makes you terrorist, this is just a perception made by mush and his followers, the so called "moderates"

there is a very fundamental difference in the way you think about kashmir and the way i think... you call it, "their war", "they", "them", i call it "my people", "my war", "us"... anyone who does not consider kashmir to have been decided as a part of pakistan, and believes that its not "Pakistan's Part" which is occupied by India, he needs to read some history of pakistan, of course only if he's not an indian or a wanna be indian

and you have now made very clear by the above post that you don't care really... there is no point talking to you... best of luck with "aman ki asha", MFN and stuff

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What did that armed movement gave us, if anywhere in the world, the world terrorist comes up, the first thing comes to mind in Pakistan!!! There are different ways to skin a cat, we don't have to be in love with India, we don't have to hate India either... we can have balanced approach and that approach my friend will give us Our Kashmir back!!!

Go back to the times of Prophet (SAAW), when He (SAAW) signed a peace agreement with arch-rivals and established enemies of Islam!!! we need to have same approach, we do not need to give reasons to the world to call us terrorist state, we don't want to live in state of fear whenever anyone got caught in terrorist activities ( yesterday 4 of them were detained)...

Think about it again and by no mean i am saying we have to surrender Kashmir, but we have to develop ourselves and our country to a level where Kashmiries feel themselves secure with us... we need to support their movement politically and morally, we need to provide whatever support they need on international forums, we need to win friends on international arena who can support us with this cause...

Example of West Germany comes to mind, where half of the German was lost to Russians, what did they do, the developed the West Germany to the extend that they were able to buy it back from Russia... we may not be able to reach the position where we will be able to buy it back, but at least we should be able to reach a position where we can say that we are state who have proved itself as a successful Muslim nation...

in the end i leave you with the following saying of Quaid-e-Azam

The establishment of Pakistan for which we have ...been striving for the last ten years is, by grace of God, an established fact today, but the creation of a State of our own was a means to an end and not the end in itself. The idea was that we should have a state in which we could live and breathe as free men and which we could develop according to our own lights and culture and where principles of Islamic social justice could find fairplay.

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Who are we to decide Kashmir is a part of Pakistan. How much did you pay for it. Let Kashmiris decide if they are a part of India, Pakistan, or want to be independent. Let them fight their war.. let them struggle to get their goals. Most of the Kashmiris in my opinion don't want to associated with Pakistan. You don't have to read history to know this fact.. you just have to meet the people. Most of the Kashmiris I met in my life want their state to be independent. Why do we want to decide what Kashmiris want.

Let's concentrate on our own problems first. Let's look inward.. we have a big problems with literacy, unemployment, poverty, terrorism... we are not in position to fight any one's war. If we struggle hard.. may be we will be lucky to fight our own war against poverty, illiteracy, terrorism etc.

..And yes having good regional relations with India for the sake of our economic uplift will help us achieve our goals.. but before that what will really change our economic scenario will be having peace with India. I mean real peace where they can have some trust on us.. when we don't let these outfits use our soil to kill innocent citizens in India.