Dear All,
There was enough discussion about religions in several posts.
Recently I came across this website maintained by ex-muslims (I no nothing about their present religion).
Contents make a thought provoking reading.
It has been presented in this forum not with the intention of offending anybody.
rregards
DS Pathania
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My philosophy...let them hate, if it won't affect you don't even bother...they're probably people who have no lives, they just make websites like these because they have nothing to do, I can picture their house right now, dirty dishes in the sink with flies, trash can that needs to be emptied for a week, live in a trailer, dirty bedsheets...etc.
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^^^ sweet heart he is not the first one doing it (even if he is the real person)
Indians like irshad manji--salman rushdi---taslima nasreen have done that.
I mean that ass posted 9/11 picture to present islam----
hmmmmm
hmmm so IK should post heroShima/naga saki to present christianity????
or a burning widow for hinduism??
those mororn get whole world's ear when they talk againest islam.
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But the question remains why there are so many people questioning their own faith. Questioning one's faith in my opinion is not bad. I also admit that there are several distortions in Hinduism...like Casteism etc.
Taslima Nasreen is from Bangladesh not from India. Sulman Rushdies left India when he was a kid.
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if people dont question their faith then they are blamed of being indoctrined automatons or that the faith is not open to interpretation, when they question then there is something wrong with religion, hen some interpretation comes ppl object that it is not what is actually said :)
its amusing, but hey as long as it keeps some nerds busy, its okay.
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:)
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Taslima Nasreen is from Bangladesh not from India. Sulman Rushdies left India when he was a kid.
DSP, its great to know regarding this stuff but have you read the history about Islam. Forget it I will make you life much more easier read the 10 years of time in Medina then its better and more relevant for discussion.
If someone questions there own faith, this is nothing new but when someone being a Muslim questions his own faith causes a furore. I wonder, what really made you to go that website and what was your intention.
Remember, you are not offending us DSP but, i feel some sought of inferior complex creeps into some individuals, thats when they like to get something other than the real stuff, while I believe leaving everything apart Islam is got the simplest way to worship God and I can challenge anyone wrt this matter.
We believe, to approach God directly without any complexities, One God, One Creator and One to be worshipped. Well I can open those websites here as they are blocked, well I want this guys to come out openly.
Well thanks for the info, well I used to bother about this but now, it seems an everyday story someone who knows the history of Islam from an open mind, hardly bothers about these facts because remember slandering of Islam is happening from the time of Noah, continued till Prophet Mohammed as I always mention faces change but the way to attack is the same as mentioned in the Quran and this is one amongst them.
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Dear Slave of Allah,
Honestly speaking I stumbled across this website while searching for websites claiming that Prophet Mohammed is mentioned in Hindu scriptures as the last prophet to descend on this earth...In Hinduism the last avatar is mentioned as Kalki Avatar who would come to this world during an era of turmoil and churn in the society. Whether they are the same I don't know.
Regarding One God....Hinduism also states that there is only one God but there are hundred's of deities ultimately leading to only one supreme power that is One God. People have spread all sorts of interpretation about Hinduism that it is a religion of hundreds of deities. Deities only provide a context for worshipping...God ultimately is One..who creates, nurtures and destroys.
I agree with you that Islam advocates a simple way of worshipping God. I haven't delved deep into Islam but my question to you is very simple...
How do you ascertain that what we read in holy books has not been altered or doctored. Before the advent of printing technology everything was conveyed orally.
If somebody is aggressively questioning his faith then in my opinion others can always argue with them as to why they say what they say or is it because the true nature of Islamic teachings is known to only a few while others seems to have another version.
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Thought provoking => you endorse some of the views…which ones whould you like to discuss? 
Furthermore, I’d disagree that the person is questioning the faith…this person is characterizing the faith (and slandering, imho)…the person holds strong opinions, and seems to be anti-Islam, not simply questioning it…
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By using the term ‘thought provoking’ I meant why somebody is questioning his/her faith. How can I endorse a viewpoint if I am not an expert on a subject.
But still I would ask one question…How do Muslims view Non-Muslims ? Why this divide…Muslims and Infidels or Muslims or Kafirs.
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If somebody is aggressively questioning his faith then in my opinion others can always argue with them as to why they say what they say or is it because the true nature of Islamic teachings is known to only a few while others seems to have another version.
Well 2 years back I would have been on your side but infact by the Mercy of Allaah my views have changed yes for sure to believe that a book a word is not altered for 1400 years is dazzling and I shall call it a miracle, the second question which pops into our mind is it possible. But then we contradict the first question then if its a miracle then its possible, now its for our limited human mind to think of the absolute two options.
Now if its a miracle, but still as I have already mentioned our limited human mind who basically believe in rationale thinking wants to ponder over this fact that Quran is not distorted, at its our right why shouldnt it be. So what we do is walk down to Tashkent were the Quran which was written 1400 years back is preserved and the present Quran present today and see it word to word and the compilation of todays Quran. Then anyone can claim and base verdicts.
Unlike other religion, Quran wasnt meant only for a esoteric few as all humans are considered equal in the eyes of Allaah but is superior in terms of piety, fear, love towards God in easy terms submitting your will to God in true sense.
If Quran was meant only for a few knowledgeable ones, the human are committing that mistake and not Allaah as mentioned in the Quran its for entire mankind.
If this is the case then how come millions by heart the quran, you got to see it to believe it and this is true. They might not understan the Quran but memorize it itself is a miracle on its own and a Prophecy come true as mentioned in the Quran.
Well, why I say Quran is for the entire mankind is just this one verse as a proof
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**YUSUFALI:* Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support.
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**PICKTHAL:* And verily We have displayed for mankind in this Qur'an all kind of similitudes, but most of mankind refuse aught save disbelief.
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But still I would ask one question....How do Muslims view Non-Muslims ? Why this divide...Muslims and Infidels or Muslims or Kafirs.
As an individual we respect you but not the doctrine, which we feel is against the creator and is not acceptable. If you believe in one true God and if he is the creator, I believe you live according to the laws governed by God and not humanly laws though some ruling might go against your desire but your faith should be in God.
We feel the infidels should see the light of Islam and ask God for guidance, we are the most happiest if someone comes towards Islam as muslims we believe that this is the true religion and Quran is the word of God i repeat this is our belief.
Overall in the Medina, Prophet respected the kafirs and there views and certain agreements were made and adhered for some period and then from the city of tribal war it completely took a opposite turn. Well here I may sound biased but as an Individual its every man's responsibilitly to look up for the truth.
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Now if its a miracle, but still as I have already mentioned our limited human mind who basically believe in rationale thinking wants to ponder over this fact that Quran is not distorted, at its our right why shouldnt it be. So what we do is walk down to Tashkent were the Quran which was written 1400 years back is preserved and the present Quran present today and see it word to word and the compilation of todays Quran. Then anyone can claim and base verdicts.
Unlike other religion, Quran wasnt meant only for a esoteric few as all humans are considered equal in the eyes of Allaah but is superior in terms of piety, fear, love towards God in easy terms submitting your will to God in true sense.
If Quran was meant only for a few knowledgeable ones, the human are committing that mistake and not Allaah as mentioned in the Quran its for entire mankind.
If this is the case then how come millions by heart the quran, you got to see it to believe it and this is true. They might not understan the Quran but memorize it itself is a miracle on its own and a Prophecy come true as mentioned in the Quran.
Well, why I say Quran is for the entire mankind is just this one verse as a proof 017.088 * **YUSUFALI:* Say: "If the whole of mankind and Jinns were to gather together to produce the like of this Qur'an, they could not produce the like thereof, even if they backed up each other with help and support. 017.089 * **PICKTHAL:* And verily We have displayed for mankind in this Qur'an all kind of similitudes, but most of mankind refuse aught save disbelief.
Thanks for your patient response. *
*Fair enough to note that there is no alteration in what has been advocated 1400 years ago. *
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But what about interpretation...Human beings are liable to make errors in discernment. How does one avoid that ? Who provides checks and balances in such cases?
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We feel the infidels should see the light of Islam and ask God for guidance, we are the most happiest if someone comes towards Islam as muslims we believe that this is the true religion and Quran is the word of God i repeat this is our belief.
Overall in the Medina, Prophet respected the kafirs and there views and certain agreements were made and adhered for some period and then from the city of tribal war it completely took a opposite turn. Well here I may sound biased but as an Individual its every man's responsibilitly to look up for the truth.
Well this is point I have been raising repeatedly. When every religion advocates one God then how does it matter whether a person is a Muslim, Hindu, Christian or Buddhist. One can travel from NY to LA by bus, train or flight or even walk. Path choosen really doesn't matter if destination is only one.
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But what about interpretation...Human beings are liable to make errors in discernment. How does one avoid that ? Who provides checks and balances in such cases?
Thats one reason Prophetic tradition thats the Ahadeeth is an integral part of the Quran and if someone deviates from both of these sources then Allaah knows the best.
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I have mentioned destination might be one but we have to belive that we have to live by the divinely laws and not the human law. We have to make distintion about this. Because as a creator we have to worship the Creator alone for help, as worship is only to him.
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God who cares? Worship whatever you want Hossain, nobody cares what you think.
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Pathania this site Islam-watch is getting quite famous these days inj west and the man behind this site is sam shamoun, these abul qassim are only covers etc etc. ( i mean they may exist but they are not the scholars)
As i said earlier, this concept that all roads lead to rome is not necessarily true as you cannot cross the hurdles on the way to Allah if you believe something like Shirk (Believing that there is more than one or some one has some power in his domain). It is just like a dead end, you go no further. Think about it!!!
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But still I would ask one question....How do Muslims view Non-Muslims ? Why this divide...Muslims and Infidels or Muslims or Kafirs.
shrug...it's a part of the religious lexicon, and it's very much historic. The term kafir implies "those who deny the truth", implying the truth of prophethood, and was applied to the Pagans of Arabia. Christians and Jews were "people of the book", although that didn't mean they were any less hostile to the Muslims. So in fact, the early view had at least three categories...the author is obviously a bit on the ignorant side.
Why do we continue to use the term Kafir? Because we take the message of the Prophet (pbuh) seriously. Kafir=non-Muslim...just as gentile/goy=non-Jew. Is there a negative connotation? Sure. But that's how history influences generations. And as I implied above, the pagans/Jews of Mecca gave the Muslims a very hard time...