Imran, bringing change in public and elite

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What does he mean by the fact that terrorism only started after drone attacks? He made PTI around 1996 and was married, so I don't think he was on a drug high with some english hookers to not know shia imambargas been blown up, sunni mosques being attacked and the whole sectarian infighting that was happening not only in karachi, but also in quetta and punjab (jhang etc) where matam processions would be bombed aside from worshiping places.

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He's trying to say that the crisis was manageable before the drones, now there's a whole movement behind the crazies who blow themselves up. The number of attacks have risen exponentially since 2004/02005 when there was relative peace and calm in the cities and in the shrines. While it's difficult to say definitely to what issue the trouble is linked, this is the manner in which he is trying to simplify the complex material for the consumption of the masses. It's not really difficult to understand why he is doing that, and just for the record, even MQM has a similar position NOW on the issue as IK/PTI.

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FYI Imran's former wife Jemima Khan is a huge liberal who shares most of Imran's stances. Imran Khan would be considered a liberal in the more civilized societies where liberalism is associated with non-violence and anti-war movements. I'm not sure how Pakistanis define a liberal (they probably associate liberalism with stuff like drinking and atheism etc), but Mohammed Ali Jinnah is probably the truest liberal you're going to find in our history, and Imran 's stances are close to his.

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I don't care that altaf hussain says it, as I am not a jiyala that agrees with everything that is fed to them. I think it is time for him to retire and do allah allah, instead of leeching on to MQM and destroying any potential it might have without him.

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... and which is why his marriage didn't last long with jemima. Personally, I think she came to Pakistan to be a PM or govt official's wife, but that didn't work out so she flew the nest. She came from a rich family and I can't see how she could live in a corner for all her life.

As for being liberal, a liberal would take anti-religious party positions from time to time and I don't see him doing that. He sits with jamat many time and they are as far away from liberal as one can be.

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Imran Khan Zindabad! :jhanda:
He will bring change in Pakistan Insha’Allah

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I didn't know you Unos was your other nick, anyway, I am talking about "supporting" here, not talking about accepting/denying existence at some particular point in time.

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Yes, he will bring the change. Taliban will have their man in Pak government.

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While I frankly focus on what he can do in terms of economic and infrastructure development (which he has a good track record in) you're making a gross allegation which just amounts to mudslinging. It's a very simple case of trolling and making personal attacks.

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While you are "frankly" focusing on other issues, you are conveniently forgetting Imran's dangerous views about the enemies of Pakistan and its people.
This is what I am trying to show to naive people like you. I understand why it hurts so much to hear truth about someone you trust so much. But for the good of Pakistan, understand what he can do if he comes to Pakistan.
Taliban and extremism is bigger enemy of Pak than India or America or Israel. And Imran wants to work with them unconditionally. Even though they consider even democracy kufr.

About economy and infrastructure development, why do you think Imran is the only person who can do it? Where are his credentials? What has he actually done in regards to economy and infrastructure?
Until now only thing he has done is criticize and criticize. But criticism is the easiest thing to do. Where are his solutions to problems? Only solution he gives is talk to Taliban.

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This thread was started by attacking others and also with the figure of people killed in this war with Taliban. What he can do is a question which will never be replied because
O dehara duba jis din ghori charhia kuba
او دھاڑا ڈبا جس دن گھوڑی چڑھیا کبا

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But that is exactly what Hassan Nisar does all the time too and I am sure you don't find anything wrong with that!! All Nisar does is criticise everyone, not that I disagree with him completely because Nisar does make valid points in his columns etc. And do we need to remind you that Shaukat Khanum Hospital and Namal University projects are successful economic role models. As for solutions we will only know what IK can deliver once he is given the chance to do so. Did Zardari for instance have a good economic track record before he came to power? The past three years have been nothing but misgovernance

I do not support his stance on Taliban but just because he wants to talk (even the US and Pak authorities both civilian and military regularly hold secret talks with Taliban. It is another matter that nothing fruitful has emerged so far) with Taliban does not mean we will have talibanisation in Pakistan. That is grossly misleading people

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Hear hear!


A random video

Now tell me, is he wrong?

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As long as the majority of the people are illiterate, he has got only limited support. People will keep on voting the same tested and failed parties time and again.

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If majority could see his past they must for lashes by implementing ** Hadood Ordnance.**

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Some history of the father of the nation

Early life
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was born to Khursheed Begum née Lakhi Bai and Sir **Shah Nawaz Bhutto](Shah Nawaz Bhutto - Wikipedia). Bhutto was the illegitimate child of Sir Shah Nawaz Bhutto.******12]](Zulfikar Ali Bhutto - Wikipedia) He was born in a prominent Sindhi Rajput family.%between%

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What's his past? An illegitimate child? He commited zina, so now?
Does this make Imran Khan a bad person now? If he truly seeked forgiveness for his sin, Allah subhana wa ta'ala is Forgiving and Merciful.
We all (did) do things we may regret later. But sometimes people do change.

Only Allah subhana wa ta'ala can judge people, so leave it to Him. :)

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That's a very typical problem with Pakistani voters. They cast their votes based on how everyone else is casting their votes, as if it's some type of a beauty-contest -- guessing the choice of the wider electorate in order to determine their own.

Charity begins at home. Believe in changing the choices of those around you.

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Some history of the father of the nation

Early life
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was born to Khursheed Begum née Lakhi Bai and Sir **Shah Nawaz Bhutto](Shah Nawaz Bhutto - Wikipedia). Bhutto was the illegitimate child of Sir Shah Nawaz Bhutto.******12]](Zulfikar Ali Bhutto - Wikipedia) He was born in a prominent Sindhi Rajput family.[

You can say nothing to innocent ZAB or Terrain. Sita has also ‘died’.
You can catch the living with …](“Zulfikar Ali Bhutto - Wikipedia”)

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[quote=“Ali_Syed, post:127, topic:239593”]

Some history of the father of the nation

Early life
Zulfikar Ali Bhutto was born to Khursheed Begum née Lakhi Bai and Sir **Shah Nawaz Bhutto](Shah Nawaz Bhutto - Wikipedia). Bhutto was the illegitimate child of Sir Shah Nawaz Bhutto.******12]](Zulfikar Ali Bhutto - Wikipedia) He was born in a prominent Sindhi Rajput family.[

So Bhutto was technically a bast*rd? Very interesting.](“Zulfikar Ali Bhutto - Wikipedia”)