LOL…so Knight is it then? Welcome back; I hope your stay on the forum will be longer than it was the previous time.
You have the tendency of going off on these extreme ends. Tum baat kahan se kahan kheench kar le jaatay ho.
So, I’ll address your points one by one…not that you’re gonna get it. If anything, you’ll fire back with more extreme examples and possibly anecdotes from your life. But here goes:
Sure, the harder you work…the “luckier” you get. Now, if by “luck” you mean increasing opportunities and the chances of landing them…sure. But there are many times that we set our heart on a particular university or job opening or person…and despite all hard work and qualifications…we don’t get that particular goal. Istikhara is asking Allah to do what is best for you …after you’ve put in your hard work.
My religion doesn’t condone jadoo or fortune-telling either. Both are clearly prohibited. Neither is istikhara about fortune-telling or jadoo. Now if you associate these actions with Islam, then you are very ignorant about the deen.
Regardless of where you live…be it in the west or elsewhere…there are aspects of one’s life that are predetermined and that allow for free-will. We don’t know what’s in our qismat, that’s why we put forth effort. The one who lives the west has to work hard just as the one who lives in the east…and sometimes qismat trumps hard work. There’s a quote by Hazrat Ali where he said that “In the failure of my own plans did I recognize the existence of God.” There has to be a balance.
The people who think that their hard work alone can get them anything that they set their heart on…end up crushed…and beat themselves up when that hard work doesn’t get them that exact position or person or whatever it is. Similarly the people who don’t exert effort and blame everything on qismat aren’t in the right either. There’s supposed to be a middle ground and it can be hard to maintain it…but it’s supposed to be there.
^^ The harder I work the luckier I get, are people in the west born with better qismat as they dont get raped by ISIS goons, dont starve to death and have longer lives or is it because they plan and strategise...good luck with the jadoo dear. My religion doesnt allow for jadoo and fortune telling.
people in the west do get raped......in fact....you are more prone to be raped by someone you already know (i.e. boyfriend, spouse, co-worker, professional, care-giver).....what does that say about morality in the west?
people in the west do starve to death....isn't that worse than people dying in third world countries where there actually IS a dire shortage of supply rather than the land of plenty where everything is readily available?
as far as I know, and maybe someone can do a search on this...most of the oldest humans do NOT exist in the west......
there is no fortune telling or jadoo in "Istikhara".
if that is what you believe about Islam then you are mistaken.
The definition of rape is very different here, husbands, boyfriends and lovers are accused of rape to exacr vengeance or a lot of times false acussation is used for financial gain. Quality of life is a very measurable phenomenon and is much higher in the west, there is a reason why many false refugees from Pak, Afghanistan and Iran are trying to fake their way into the west. Also if anyone is raped here the police, law and society help the victim. I heard back there the victim is blamed. If people think Istikhara resultss in God telling you if the rishta is good or bad then that is heresy jadoo, fortune telling nonsense
this is the upteenth thread on 'istiKhara'. @ALIREZA1 saaHab, istiKhaara is neither a 'liTmus test' nor Allah tells you what to do. istiKhaara is done to ask Allah to put 'Khair' [blessings] in whatever decision you take. you've to do your 'homework' to arrive at a decision. Allah hopefully will guide you through indications.
istiKhara is a sunnat so please refrain from using derogatory words. thank you.
^^ The harder I work the luckier I get, are people in the west born with better qismat as they dont get raped by ISIS goons, dont starve to death and have longer lives or is it because they plan and strategise...good luck with the jadoo dear. My religion doesnt allow for jadoo and fortune telling.
Most religions believe in mythical deities with amazing supernatural powers so I don't get the higher moral ground...
But it has ben turned into a bidaat, my Shia relatives refused to buy this amazing house because the Istikhara molvi told them it will bring them bad luck, I don’t remember that as Sunnat, that is voodoo. yes the prayer is Sunat. Fortune telling is sin
Most religions believe in mythical deities with amazing supernatural powers so I don't get the higher moral ground...
Most of the modern progress is after the govts were run on a secular basis and clergy had no part in govt. Pope is still against using condoms in Aids inflicted Africa. Do you think we should work on being better people or depend on fortune telling.
But it has ben turned into a bidaat, my Shia relatives refused to buy this amazing house because the Istikhara molvi told them it will bring them bad luck, I don't remember that as Sunnat, that is voodoo. yes the prayer is Sunat. Fortune telling is sin
i agree with that...it should be done the way sunnat explains. you better do it yourself by offering salaat ul nafl followed by du'aa...that's it!
The definition of rape is very different here, husbands, boyfriends and lovers are accused of rape to exacr vengeance or a lot of times false acussation is used for financial gain. Quality of life is a very measurable phenomenon and is much higher in the west, there is a reason why many false refugees from Pak, Afghanistan and Iran are trying to fake their way into the west. Also if anyone is raped here the police, law and society help the victim. I heard back there the victim is blamed. If people think Istikhara resultss in God telling you if the rishta is good or bad then that is heresy jadoo, fortune telling nonsense
This post is full of so many...issues...can't begin.
To sum it up though...I don't think you know what Istikhara really is.
This post is full of so many...issues...can't begin.
To sum it up though...I don't think you know what Istikhara really is.
The one I know is a fat molvi tells you if this husband is good or bad for you, or the house n stuff. Then you give him money. Then you pay the divorce lawyer as you decided on something other than compatibility and chemistry and didnt put the effort into building a relationship.
The one I know is a fat molvi tells you if this husband is good or bad for you, or the house n stuff. Then you give him money. Then you pay the divorce lawyer as you decided on something other than compatibility and chemistry and didnt put the effort into building a relationship.
Then hes no good at scamming for Zarda n Biryanni..I am seriousley thinking of this occupation after I retire, cause of my fair complexion people will say I have a noorani chehra, loads of respect and biryanni.
But it has ben turned into a bidaat, my Shia relatives refused to buy this amazing house because the Istikhara molvi told them it will bring them bad luck, I don't remember that as Sunnat, that is voodoo. yes the prayer is Sunat. Fortune telling is sin
Istikhara should be done by the person themselves, not by a molvi.
And you still don't get that it is asking Allah for guidance. If it I good or bad!
It is not fortune telling, I think you should get yourself educated about what it is.
Istikhara should be done by the person themselves, not by a molvi.
And you still don't get that it is asking Allah for guidance. If it I good or bad!
It is not fortune telling, I think you should get yourself educated about what it is.
So I can ask for guidance in stock picking also, how is Allah going to communicate his guidence through an Omen, a buzurg in khuaab...lol and you think I need an education. So here is some education, get employment skills, develop a personality, be fun to be around, look after your health, work on relationships, get involved in hobbies and here is the guidence...maybe that was your destiny to get guidence from me..just kidding friend!!!
So I can ask for guidance in stock picking also, how is Allah going to communicate his guidence through an Omen, a buzurg in khuaab...lol and you think I need an education. So here is some education, get employment skills, develop a personality, be fun to be around, look after your health, work on relationships, get involved in hobbies and here is the guidence...maybe that was your destiny to get guidence from me..just kidding friend!!!
1) A person has an upcoming interview for a particular job at a particular company that they've always dreamed of. Person makes dua to Allah to do what is best for them. Notice how I did not use the word istikhara; I only said dua. The person makes dua. And istikhara, too, is just a dua. The individual rehearses for the interview, goes there and gives it their bestest shot. Oh and they also developed their personality and looked after their health and buffed up their employment skills.....bla bla bla. They end up not getting the job. Naturally a person with iman will think that God is "telling" them that this is not meant to be. Of course they will think that God told/spoke to them.
2) But the problem is that you have oversimplified things by equating "telling" to "jadoo." So, I question....where is the line drawn with the "telling".....? We believe that Allah "tells" us many things in the Quran...even about future events we have not witnessed (Day of Judgment)....so is this "telling" also "jadoo"...?
3) The second problem is that you stubbornly adhere to the misguided but popular belief that the guidance in Istikhara comes strictly in the form of dreams and omens and that there is no need for koshish. Even when I have emphasized in previous posts that one has to exert effort......you gloss over this point....and give examples that confirm your bias.
5) You say your religion is about hard work and developing yourself. Islam (and other religions for that matter) don't have anything against hard work and personal development....in fact it's encouraged. So such a comment is unnecessary...irrelevant even. But I question where does God fit in your belief system...and if He fits in at all. Because you seemed to have removed Him from the equation entirely. Where is the line drawn? If all your hard work does not get you that one particular job u wanted.....if all your hard work and resources and connections did not cure you of an illness.......if it did not maintain the loyalty of a loved one........then at what point do you decide that "It's Allah's will"....?
1) A person has an upcoming interview for a particular job at a particular company that they've always dreamed of. Person makes dua to Allah to do what is best for them. Notice how I did not use the word istikhara; I only said dua. The person makes dua. And istikhara, too, is just a dua. The individual rehearses for the interview, goes there and gives it their bestest shot. Oh and they also developed their personality and looked after their health and buffed up their employment skills.....bla bla bla. They end up not getting the job. Naturally a person with iman will think that God is "telling" them that this is not meant to be. Of course they will think that God told/spoke to them.
2) But the problem is that you have oversimplified things by equating "telling" to "jadoo." So, I question....where is the line drawn with the "telling".....? We believe that Allah "tells" us many things in the Quran...even about future events we have not witnessed (Day of Judgment)....so is this "telling" also "jadoo"...?
3) The second problem is that you stubbornly adhere to the misguided but popular belief that the guidance in Istikhara comes strictly in the form of dreams and omens and that there is no need for koshish. Even when I have emphasized in previous posts that one has to exert effort......you gloss over this point....and give examples that confirm your bias.
5) You say your religion is about hard work and developing yourself. Islam (and other religions for that matter) don't have anything against hard work and personal development....in fact it's encouraged. So such a comment is unnecessary...irrelevant even. But I question where does God fit in your belief system...and if He fits in at all. Because you seemed to have removed Him from the equation entirely. Where is the line drawn? If all your hard work does not get you that one particular job u wanted.....if all your hard work and resources and connections did not cure you of an illness.......if it did not maintain the loyalty of a loved one........then at what point do you decide that "It's Allah's will"....?
Sorry too long to read, many people use wasnt meant to be to escape responsibilty, if you dont then good on you. If you are an account rep for major multinational and continuously don't meet your quotas, try going to western regional manager and tell him it wasn't gods will.
You guys first need to look up what Istikhara means. I don't know how or why istikhara became making predictions in our culture but AFAIK it means making a dua to make a decision YOU made RIGHT for you. You don't have God make the decision for you, that would be too easy, right? Everything bad that happens in our life could be prevented. So you make the decision to the best of your ability, after having thought about it carefully and then pray to God to make it the best for you.
Sorry too long to read, many people use wasnt meant to be to escape responsibilty, if you dont then good on you. If you are an account rep for major multinational and continuously don't meet your quotas, try going to western regional manager and tell him it wasn't gods will.
