Impeachment of Musharraf - (Threads merged)

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**PPPP doesn’t want to rock the boat: Fahim

**** PPPP leader says country must have transition of power from military to civilians*

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan People’s Party Parliamentarians (PPPP) on Saturday indicated that the new government would not seek President Pervez Musharraf’s immediate impeachment as western envoys have urged winning parties to support him.

PPPP candidate for premiership Amin Fahim told CNN that the party didn’t wish “to rock the boat” now.

“I think there’s no need at the moment (to impeach Musharraf) but parliament is sovereign. Once we go to parliament, it will look at every issue. We should not rock the boat at this time. We must have a civil transition of power from military to civilians,” he said.

A PPPP meeting of elected members on Friday endorsed Fahim as the party’s candidate for the premiership. The meeting, which was held at Zardari House in Islamabad, said that it would end the presidential powers to dismiss assemblies.

White House Press Secretary Dana Perino has said that it was “up to the Pakistani people to decide whether Musharraf retains his position”. According to the Pakistani Foreign Office, US President George W Bush called President Pervez Musharraf on Thursday to congratulate him on peaceful elections and reaffirm that the US would work closely with the new government.

Also, President Musharraf vowed in a US newspaper opinion piece published on Friday to work with the new parliament after winning parties agreed to form a coalition government.

Diplomats, including from the United States and the United Kingdom, had pressed the Pakistan People’s Party and the Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) to try to co-exist with Musharraf, a key ally in the war on terror, for some time “to ensure a smooth transition and stability in the country”, sources said.

US Ambassador Anne Patterson has met PPP Co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari at least twice since his party emerged as winning party in the February 18 polls. British High Commissioner Robert Brinkley has also met leaders of the PPP and the PML-N. The US has said that it would continue working with Musharraf despite defeat of his loyalists in the elections. online

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\02\24\story_24-2-2008_pg1_1

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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

He said no impeachment 'yet'

They will strip away his powers, such as 52(B). Much easier to aginst a weakened and hated figure.

Then they will kick him out. No change to the PPP led coalitions plan against Mush

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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

^ Hence I put that in bold. I actually support this current PPP position. Yes Musharraf has made a few mistakes (trampling on judiciary and imposing emergency being his worst crimes), most of them since March 2007 but it's not like Zardari or Nawaz Sharif are saints themselves. They have a tainted and scandalous past. They were both heavily involved in corruption in the past. Zardari was implicated in the murder of Murtaza Bhutto (it may just be a rumour) and Nawaz also committed some of the crimes that we now associate with Mush - trampling on Judiciary/Supreme Court and media and abusing power esp. in his second stint etc. Just like when appraising someone it is important that the appraiser is atleast as knowledgeable, qualified and experienced as the appraisee the same way it is important that those impeaching others are atleast better in moral standing than the guilty party which sadly is not the case here with Zardari and Nawaz. Yes their respective parties have been re-elected by the people but their past is anything to be proud of. Hence I have mixed views on the subject of impeachment.

I do however support the new coalition's drive to abolish article 58 (2b) in time and restore 73 constitution and reinstate the deposed judges. And if Mush goes home in the process so be it.

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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

Did you speak to Fahim? or are you a najumi?

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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

No need to impeach Musharraf. We need to move away from politics of the past. Our leaders need to act like statesman.

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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

im not sure this would change much

to be honest i dont trust a party called the peoples party yet it is effectivly a dynasty

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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

Well said. It is time to quit politics of negativity.

The same negativity doomed NS and BB's previous governments. I hope some of the politicians are smart enough to figure out this simple fact.

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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

If Mushrraf stays he will be w/o power to dissolve parliament, but I think he will be forced out. So, impeachment is not necessary.

a very true personality test
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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

I actually prefer to see Musharraf eat humble pie after all his arrogant statements and shameful actions. But for the sake of the country, I hope he has the decency to quit before being humiliated.

India Tour of England 2011
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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

Once Musharraf can pass the following Constitutional Amendment..THen He should Leave::)

"No Foriegn Parties or Indiduals whose Majority Vested Interests i.e. Wealth and Personal Property are outside of Pakistan's Sovreignity shall be allowed to hold Public Office in Pakistan"........:biggthumb

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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

Then I assume you are okay with pardoning of Altaf Hussein, Nawaz Sharif, Zardari, CH brothers etc.

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Coalition Doesn’t Have Votes For Musharraf Impeachment - Zardari.

Mashallah. Zardari is admitting the numbers do not add up for them. What a shame. The electorate will be sorely disappointed.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120388784060488993.html?mod=hps_us_whats_news

Coalition Doesn’t Have Votes For Musharraf Impeachment

ISLAMABAD – Asif Ali Zardari, widower of former Pakistan Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto and leader of the party that won the most seats in parliamentary elections last week, said his coalition will be unable to impeach President Pervez Musharraf, and that he would instead seek a working relationship with the embattled leader.

**“The ground reality is that ****we do not have two-thirds majority in both the houses of Parliament ****” that would be required for a successful impeachment, Mr. Zardari said in an interview. **The Senate, Parliament’s upper house, remains in the control of Mr. Musharraf’s supporters.

don't know what to do...
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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

Impeachment was never the call. Period!

PPP sindh wants operation cleanup everywhere in Karachi but Liyari
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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

Have the political parties given up already. :)

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Re: ‘No impeachment of Musharraf’ - Fahim

Why? We are for the peacefull solution that includes Musharraf leaving by himself under pressure.

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Re: Coalition Doesn't Have Votes For Musharraf Impeachment - Zardari.

Smart of him, good for the nation.

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Re: Impeachment of Musharraf - (Threads merged)

There are other ways, the parliament instead of impeaching him should restore the judges and let them deal with the illegal president. They should also clipndhis powers and all he will be good for is going to the airport to receive and see off foreign dignatories. You know what his incompetency will even show there and he will mess even such simple things.

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Re: Impeachment of Musharraf - (Threads merged)

Alhamdulilallah. A week is a long time in Pakistani politics and rhetoric. Before the election it was 'Go Musharaf Go'. Few days after the election when reality hit the political parties, it was 'Go Musharaf'. Now it let the judiciary take care of Musharaf.

The electorate will be sorely disappointed with PPP and PML (N). :D

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Re: Impeachment of Musharraf - (Threads merged)

Two reasons why they wont go for impeachment
1. For that you need MQM onboard, to get a two-third votes. MQM is unlikely to go against Musharraf.
2. US is more comfortable with Musharraf in the office, until PPPP proves itself to the US (new government in white house).

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Re: Impeachment of Musharraf - (Threads merged)

So is the impeachment dead.

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008/02/27/story_27-2-2008_pg3_8

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/images/2008/02/27/20080227_ed03.jpg