It was the sad day of 9/11 when US came back to an old ally and asked for help. Regardless of the commie leftie, and Bharati blabbering, the two countries have stood side-by-side in the fight against Arrabobs and their MAToo followers. Now US is the the largest importer of Pakistani goods, and the two countries will continue working together for mutual interests.
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hahahaha.. ur one arrogant asshole.. this world is all politics.. neva trust America.. as all countries clearly knows..
where was ur beloved america once their aim was finished wen russia was destroyed?.. off it went and left pakistan with such huge problems.. all america is a user.. and the ppl of pakistan are bunch of idiots as they cannot see who is behind half of their countries instablity..
the only reason why america is being sooooo nice to pak right now is.. coz it has intrests.. once those intrests acheived.. off it goes and starts imposing things on pak.. soo my frnd.. its best u move to america.. as we are not wantin short sigted ppl.. i cannot beleive dese desis man.. i guess u guys like the desi style.. wher eu get beaten up by ur master.. and u still praise emm..
oh well.. may allah protect pakistan from any bad things..ameen..
allah hafiz
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The Pak govt is playing a very fine game which shows that at the end of the day, they are working to an agenda that is not in line with US interests.
Regardless of the 9/11 shift in relations, Pakistan is still contructing the biggest Chinese naval port on foreign soil, at Gwadar.
Pakistan's government is following a policy that will give China a naval base in the Arabian sea that in years to come will allow China to challenge US influence in the Persian Gulf and potentially achieve dominance there.
The US-Pak entente is a temporary matter of years and the Gwadar project proves the Pak govt is aware of that. Pakistan has firmly thrown itself in on the Chinese side in the Cold War of the future versus the USA. The govt is simply using the USA's need of Pakistani action for its own immediate benefit right now.
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its all political man.. pakistan playin its part... china ( sleeping giant).. and america playin its part..
from wat i can see.. america is onto a very dangerous times.. coming close to end.. as it is lookin for every possibility to dominate the world.. bt its sooo weak inside.. that its becuming hard to recover.. unless GWB is moved from the govt..
ill try to scan this magazine which gives very very very valid points and very valid theory behind wats going on in the world.. and american movements.. and GWB upto..
bt yea.. now to isreal.. thats the next super power.. tahts where dajals cumin.. thats wen their one day will be our one day.. and look around that it is showin all the signs.. read the book.. Jeruslam in Quran..
allah hafiz
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listen to what afghan say
Mr Karzai then said: “I believe we have to go to the sources of it, where terrorists are trained, where terrorists are prompted up.”
President Karzai denied his comment on the “sources of terrorism” was a reference to Pakistan, but his officials have said as much in the past.
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I don’t know about you man! But intellectuals like cowasji do exhibit this strange orgasm about China and Gawadar. This is based on many presumptions on part of Pak’s commie lefties. Gawadar base is only good for trade like Hong Kong or Shanghai. Terming it to be a “naval base” against US, truly shows the kiddy ideas about Navy and Naval warfare. Here are few aspects to burst your orgasmic bubble about Chinese navy.
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Chinese navy is 50 years behind Ruskies, while Ruskies in their big Commie days were 50 years behind US navy.
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Only US naval fleet in the whole world has night time landing and takeoff capability for the carriers. China is at least 100 years behind US when it comes to carrier warfare.
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Chinese ships can not face off US in the open seas. In case of a highly unlikely naval war with US, the result will be an immediate encirclement in all of its home ports for Chinese. I hope Gawadar never faces that situation as it will be bombed out of modern age in few hours.
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Persian Gulf is being defended by at least 3 US carrier groups. One in the gulf; one in Indian Ocean (+Arabian Sea); and one in either red sea or Mediterranean Sea. And that is less than 50% capacity of US carrier power.
So Meri Jaan, keep these commie leftie thinking to yourself. Pakistan in no way could let it’s soil used for attacking Western interests. Sure Gawadar will serve as Pakistan’s second naval base. But please keep these $tupid ideas about war on Pakistan soil to yourself. We are too interested in trade and education.
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very well said antiobl.. finaly sumthing good to read..
yeap tru.. this world is land of politics.. may it be family level or country level.. everyone is in for themselvs..
china is in for pak for it self.. coz it gets a lot of business from pak.. e.g. gawadar development.. and pak gets a lot from china.. e.g. support financially
so in all.. everyone is in for themselves.. and yes we would rahte rhav education and trade.. then war.. so keep ya pussy little ideas of war to ya self..
Allah hafiz
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^^Thanks Cheebu. It is time we put our entire focus on Pakistan and Pak interests. Nothing else matter. We need to kick out these arrabob and MAToo crap.
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Your whole argument is flawed because you’re working on a direct Chinese military challenge to US interests as soon as the port is complete. But Gwadar is not intended for that.
It is the toe-hold today. Over the next 30-40 years as China develops its military potential further, China will be able to project force in the Gulf through Gwadar.
It will not even have to actually engage the USA in any form of battle. Simply having a large naval and other military presence in the region will start drawing some of the states there out of the US orbit, since they will have a choice of military powers to ally with. Not to mention that once China becomes the biggest purchaser of oil, and has a military presence in the Gulf, that the states there will start looking very favourably at China.
And Pakistan will have been there at China’s side through the whole transition.
Our cooperation with China has given us planes, ships, tanks, nukes, ballistic nd cruise missiles in the past. It is giving us a whole new port city in Gwadar today, and as China’s closest ally in the Arabian sea, it will bring is more influence in the Gulf tomorrow.
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Nutz! Over the next 30-40 years Pakistan in itself will project force in the gulf. In the long run Chinese or other powers have to follow Pakistan’s interests in the immediate neighborhood be it gulf, Iran, or Central Asia.
Get rid of this slavish mentality if you are a Pak,
Keep on sleeping on sand dunes and dream about chinese fantasy world if you happen to be an Arrabob.
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Pipe dream. Pakistan will in perpetuity stay weakened by our own internal divisions and prioritisation of the interest of family over interest of country - the cultural root of corruption.
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Seems like a Bharati dream.
Pakistan suffered economically at the hands of lefties and commies. Now that they are religated to the black pit of the defeat, we have a bright future. If you don’t believe in it then leave the country.
Member **PNF **(Pakistan Nationalist Front) The Right alternative.
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Zia & Sharif were neither leftie nor commie. We have a cultural problem that means people want to take from the state and abuse their power to benefit their families; and unless this attitude changes Pakistan will always stay weak.
No country ever became strong on the back of corruption.
And India has the exact same problem too. Its superpower dreams are just pipe dreams. No desi country can become strong because desis are not wiling to put nation before family.
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Zia was too busy fighting commies to rid Pakistan from big government and its leftie show-shaw-list policies.
Sharif was in a totally different league when it came to economy. He was the first Pak leader to reduce red-tapism and baboo approach in our ministries. However that poor soul couldn’t survive long enough due to the onslaught of leftie commies like BB, and Altaf, and closet lefties like all the MAToos.
Pakistan’s policies have always been leftie and pro-big government. That in itself breads corruption. Why the heck we have one huge telephone (land line) monopoly in PTCL? The same thing is true with other corporation. Bharat has also suffered from big monopolies. Corruption is an effect of monopoly and not the source.
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British telecom had a monopoly in the Uk for decades and was not corrupt. Corruption is a symptom of the values of society.
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I agree with MS. On a fundamental level, Pakistan's post 9/11 policies were based on compulsion more than conviction. If 9/11 were to happen say 20 years hence and China is in a position to really challenge the US, Pakistan will have a no brainer choice to defy the US and join China. And that is what we are likely to see. Islamic extremism is just a policy tool gone bad for Pakistan and not a mortal enemy as it is to the West.
Re: Impact of 9/11 on Pak-US relations
^^One of two industries may not make a difference. Britain has historically been much more entrepreneur-friendly compared to Pakistan. Big government monopolies and unfair regulations against small business have robbed Pakistan from necessary economic activity. Our budget at $15billion is pathetically low for a country of 150 million. Provided good trade policies and a better taxation system should be able to boost this budget all the way $50 billion in 5 years. You will see that corruption in small time things will automatically disappear with end of monopolies and better regulations.
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The problem Pakistan has is the same that that killed the Ottoman empire and is emphasised in bold. The government is underfunded, due to poor economic performance. That in itself it not going to hold the country back.
The problem is that too many people are unwilling to see their families suffer as a result of poor government resources and so corruption results as they take what is not righfully theirs for their family.
A customs official who has seen his salary consistently outstripped by inflation and is reduced to taking bribes in order to avoid providing less for his family is an example. Through being corrupt he helps his family today but that robs the state of income through taxes on the imports, and so the state still lacks money tomorrow.
It’s very easy for me sitting in the west making good money (alhumdulillah) to say this, and I know that my perspective would be different in the shoes of the corrupt, but if people were willing to sacrifice the economic well-being of their family for Pakistan, accept that taking money other than your salary is wrong, then Pakistan could recover and become strong.
But with a culture that places family as centrally as ours, this is unlikely to ever happen.
Pakistan will stay crippled by its own values, and will only achive greatness as a client state of a greater power.
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^^This is old leftie-commie crap. Not all customs officials are corrupt. Pakistan has survived so far due to hard work of many in every department and area. So keep this BS to yourself of us remaining backwards forever. You are sitting in the West so enjoy it. We'll always welcome you, no matter what kind $tupid comments you make about our country.
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the simple thing is.. america is a coward contry.. who is affraid to die.. and china is a sleeping giant which doesnt want to interefer with anyones business.. bt it knows the world very well..
and remem.. wen a country explodes quitley.. like china is.. to mess with it is a big mistake.. as u do not have any clue wat they aer capable of..
secound.. justice system shud be paks number one priority.. and rest will fall in into it.. the reason being.. a person like me livin in west feel uncomfortable cumin to pak... knwoin that i would hav to give rishwat and lie and well god knows wat else to do business.. and its against my morals..
so.. justice system.. and rest will fall into place..
Allah hafiz