Immigration & Integration

what is it? There are several reasons of immigration I know lots of them, but what the heck is “integration”… is it “in Rome do as Romans do”? or is it you adapt someways from your new adapted land/country? or do you adapt all of it and forget your past?

What do you all think about integration (social, not mathematical plz)?

Please stay serious :jazak: :flower2:

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Well in the Uk some people get confused and they follow the "when in Rome do as the Romanians rule"

doesnt help with the intigration side but makes the politians happy when they talk about a "multicultural" society

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Its fine to adapt your newland to some extent, but giving up all is not good IMHO.

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Integration means not secluding yourself from the mainstream of the society. It's ok, and even great, to maintain your own values and culture, but living your entire life within the confines of a single ethnic community is not.

Of course, that situation can also represent the failure of the state to provide adequate opportunities for people to be accepted into the mainstream.

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Maddy: A society / country can't go beyond providing "equal opportunities" to the new immigrants for education, employment for 'integration'. Are there any problems for new immigrants in education/employment in Europe?

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Integration means that when you talk about the country you immigrated to & the countrymen, you do not talk as if they are different than you. When terms like 'they' and 'them' or 'these people' are replaced by 'we' and 'us' .. a person is integrated.

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The problem is that where countries are willing to provide equal opportunities, societies are often not. I’m seeing that extensively after moving to Canada. Whilst I continued working for the same company here as in the UK, what I’ve seen with many immigrants from non-western countries is that business are unwilling to believe or trust that the qualifications and work immigrants do outside the west is remotely equal in value to work in the west. This pushes many immigrants into ghettoisation.

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Is it enough you think? In the aftermath of 7/7, the integration is questioned. In France, wearing Hijab was questioned in context of integration long time ago, didn’t matter whether those ladies said “we” or not.

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Yes, its enough.

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If you’re in rome and doing as the Romanians do, I think you’ve missed the point. lol

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I tried it and failed miserably, people who leave their own culture to fit in are the hollowest bastrads on the face of this earth.

I'm more Pakified than a freshy and proud of it, being British is boring, so much more drama being a Paki.

What's the point in assimilating? I don't care what goray think of me, they don't matter enough for their views to be of any concern to me, to them their way and to me mine, I'm not harming anyone by not assimilating.. I think people who try hard to assimilate, like the Indians have an inferiority complex, I'm not like that, I don't envy goray people in anyway, the only reasons I live in their country are economic and academic.

Nationality is more a state of mind than what's on paper or where you're born, I don't feel warm and bubbly on the inside when I see the union jack like I do when I hear Pak SarZameen ShadBad..

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Methinks Lazy misses Roman :crying:

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I’m a female, im allowed to miss the point!

Actually I think perhaps you missed my point.:frowning:

but that doesnt matter…wont hold it against you.:slight_smile:

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Zakky Wakky, seeing as you are my sister I wont be mean to you!

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Lazy,the phrase is actually “when in Rome, do as the Romans do”. Romanians are citizens of Romania… think Nadia Comenici.

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Is it time for Stu to check the Brit humor thread? :D

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oops, my mistake. I'm a goofball