Imam Zainul Abideen's sermon in Syria

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With Ashoora on horizon, I thought we should contemplate on the sufferings of Ahle Bait at the hands of Yazid ibn Muawiyah.
A sermon by Imam Ali ibn Hussein Zainul Abedin.

HAZRAT ZAIN-UL-ABIDEEN ALI BIN HUSSAIN (AS)

Yazid asked one of his employed preachersto go on the ‘Mimber’ (pulpit) of the Mosque and abused Imam Ali(a.s.) and his family. When the preacher finished his lecture, Imam Sajjad(a.s.) turned to him and said, “Be ashamed of yourself, you evil speaker. With your words you have displeased Allah so as to please people”. Then the Imam(a.s.) asked Yazid to let him talk to the people. Yazid refused to do so. The people of Syria, however, forced Yazid to allow the Imam to go on the Mimber.

Once on the Mimber, Imam Zain al-Abideen(a.s.) first praised Allah(swt) and His Messenger(pbuh&hf). After that the Imam gave along and very powerful speech letting the Syrians know the great position of Imam Husain(a.s.) to Allah(swt), and how evil Yazid and his family were. Part of the speech is summarised below:

"O listeners Allah has given us (Ahle Bart) six things which no one else has. He has given us special Wisdom, Patience, Dignity, Power of speech, Courage and Respect. He gave us special benefit of belonging to the family of his Prophet. To us belong Hamza and Jafar. To us belong Asadullah (The lion of Allah, Imam Ali(a.s.)). To us belong the leader of the youths of paradise (Imam Hassan(a.s.) and Imam Hussain(a.s.)).

"Those who know me, know me. Those who do not, then know that **I am the son of Mecca and Mina. I am the son of Zamzam and Safa. I am the son of he who gave Zakat to the poor. I am the son of the best of those who have ever put on Ihram and performed ceremonies of Hajj. I am the son of he who was taken on the night journey from house of Allah to the Mosque of Aqsa and then to Miraj. I am the son of he who was taken around by Gibrael to the Lote-tree of the boundary (Sidratul Muntaha).

“I am the son of Muhammad Mustafa(pbuh&hf). I am the son of Ali Al-Murtaza(a.s.) who fought the polytheists in the battle till they submitted to Islam and fought in the presence of the Prophet until his sword was broken and to whom Zulfikar was given. I am the son of he who had the honour to migrate twice in Islam. I am the son of Fatima the best women of the world…”.**

The effect of the speech was so powerful that everybody in the Mosque began to weep and to blame Yazid. Yazid was afraid that if the Imam continued his speech, there would be a revolution and revolt. At the same time Yazid could not stop the Imam and get him down from the Mimber. He therefore ordered a “Muazzin” to give Azan, knowing that this would automatically cut the Imam’s speech. But he underestimated the Imam’s bravery and intelligence. The Imam stopped his speech but did not get down from the Mimber. When the Muazzin said " Allahu Akber" the Imam testified Allah’s greatness. When the Muazzin said, “Ash hadu anna Muhammaddan Rasulullah”, the Imam stopped the Muazzin from going any further. He then turned to Yezid and asked him. "Tell me o Yazid, was Muhammad(pbuh&hf) your grandfather or mine? If you say he was your grandfather it will be an open lie and if you say he was my grandfather then why have you killed his son and imprisoned his family? Why have you killed my father and brought his women and children to this city as prisoners?"

Yazid had no reply to give.

The effect of this was to turn Syrians against Yazid. Everyone of them now found out about Yazid’s crimes that he had committed against the Prophet (pbuh&hf) and his family. They began to blame him and ask for the release of Imam Zain al-Abidin(a.s.) and the womenfolk of the house of the Prophet. Yazid was now afraid that if he did not act fast his rulership would be lost. He therefore freed Imam Zain al-Abidin(a.s.) and let. him return to Medina with full honour and respect.

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thanx prince abass for sharing the link

The effect of the speech was so powerful that everybody in the Mosque began to weep and to blame Yazid. Yazid was afraid that if the Imam continued his speech, there would be a revolution and revolt. At the same time Yazid could not stop the Imam and get him down from the Mimber. He therefore ordered a "Muazzin" to give Azan, knowing that this would automatically cut the Imam's speech. But he underestimated the Imam's bravery and intelligence. The Imam stopped his speech but did not get down from the Mimber. When the Muazzin said " Allahu Akber" the Imam testified Allah's greatness. When the Muazzin said, "Ash hadu anna Muhammaddan Rasulullah", the Imam stopped the Muazzin from going any further. He then turned to Yezid and asked him. "Tell me o Yazid, was Muhammad(pbuh&hf) your grandfather or mine? If you say he was your grandfather it will be an open lie and if you say he was my grandfather then why have you killed his son and imprisoned his family? **Why have you killed my father and brought his women and children to this city as prisoners?"

this paragraph the moulve saab read in majlis abt two days ago.
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Time Pass June 2015
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Rabbz, the paragraph you quoted above shows why Yazid (LA) was compelled to stop further abusing Ahle Bait. He was afraid of the political storm it might generate against him. In reality the storm was already brewing and that storm showed in the form of Mukhtar.

Imam Zainul Abedin was not being arrogant when he showed his high status to the Syrians. He did that because Syrians were under propaganda from Yazid and Muawiyah, who used to curse and abuse the Ahle Bait. So Imam told them who exactly he was.
And it had huge impact on those people.

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bother abbass

such batao tum nay qasam khaee hoee hay kay .................. u wud not quote the reference of the sermon i mean the book from which u have taken it.

brother mention the source as per the forum rules ........

i havent seen such thing in asoole kafi (may be i skipped )

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why he mentioned only hazrat hamza and hazrat jafer but not included the name of hazrat abbas and hazrat aqeel ???????

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The effect of this was to turn Syrians against Yazid. Everyone of them now found out about Yazid's crimes that he had committed against the Prophet (pbuh&hf) and his family. They began to blame him and ask for the release of Imam Zain al-Abidin(a.s.) and the womenfolk of the house of the Prophet. Yazid was now afraid that if he did not act fast his rulership would be lost. He therefore freed Imam Zain al-Abidin(a.s.) and let. him return to Medina with full honour and respect

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i wish the syrians were so good .... in reality few sahaba and others protested against actions of imprisoning ahlebaut and yazid defused the situation by putting the all the blame on ibn ziyad ( a tactic rulers still use ! ) for actions at karbala

other motive for not imprisoning ahlebait was beacuse they were now finished as a political force for a generation and treating his quraishi kinsfolk will give the average syrians the wrong impression of the supposed generosity of ummayyads

mukhtar was not a political threat at all at this time nor cud anyone cud have predicted his rise so early.yazids biggest political problem at that time was marwan and ibn zubair.And it was both of them who contributed to the fall of sufyanids.

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The whole muslim community has been held hostage to fights of arab tribes to monarchy. Rationality sits on the benches in religious debates.

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i wonder what will happen to yazid on jujdment day?

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Maqtal Abi Makhnaf, pg 135; Behaarul Anwaar, vol 10, pg 233; Riyazaul Quds, vol 2, pg 328

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Syrians were no kharijis or satans either. They were under propaganda of Muawiyah and his cohorts like Amr bin Aas.
But you are free to believe whatever you like.

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mukhtar was not a political threat at all at this time
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Sure, Mukhtar was no political threat at that time. But the very fact that Yazid was guilty of killing Prophet's family was enough to ensure that SOMEONE or SOME PEOPLE will cause harm to the monarchy of the family of Abu Sufiyan.
It eventually showed in the form of Mukhtar al-Thaqafi.

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You know what the interesting thing about these political discussions is? It involves people who form the basis of reporting ahadith. So taking political side of those times pretty much establishes which section of ahadith-narrators one follow.

You can not just sit on the sidelines calling "sub achha" when those people who form the basis of Islam were fighting amongst themselves and killing each other. You need to take sides.

By the way, talking about "arab tribes", it reminded me of what some people said about why they did not accept Ali as their Imam. They said they did not like to see both prophethood and imamate be confined in one family (of Banu Hashim) alone.
If you want to blame people for talking in tribal sense then you need to blame the Prophet of Islam first (naoozobillah). Because it was he who made Ali the Maula of every Momin and also made him his Wasi (heir).

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^We do not beleive that Prophet pbuh made Imam Ali ra his successor.

In the interest of Ashura i will post-pone my response for now and will respond to you after that.

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This thread is not about Hadith e Ghadir, and so I would not like to talk about it here anyway, Ashura or not. May be start a new thread about it. It's a discussion on its own.

You only commented on my last statement. What about the rest of the post? Some did not like prophethood and imamate combined in Banu Hashim. Pretty much tribal mentality.

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^It proves my point, it was all about arab tribalism prevelant at that time and such statments and many others are proof of that. And some Mollahs and Ayatoollahs keep propagating them bcoz they eat money from trading blood of Hussein.

By the way, i am sure people who made such statement did not beleive in Imamate. The imamate concept is a later innovation.

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thanx buddy

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If people supporting Imam Ali were supporting him for Arab tribalism then all of those supporters should have been from Banu Hashim.
What it actually proves is that people who did not accept Ali as Prophet's heir did it due to Arab tribalism.

Yes, it proves the point that tribalism was only an excuse not to accept Ali as Prophet's heir, because at Saqeefa the same concept of tribalism and kinship was used to justify Qureish's right to khilafat.

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I overlooked it earlier so commenting on it now.

When I said that Prophet made Ali everyone's Maula and heir then that's all I said. I am referring to ahadith at the time of Ghadir (for Ali being Maula) and Dhul-Asheera (for Ali being Heir). I did not use the term 'successor'. That's another discussion.
You should at least accept direct authentic words of Prophet. That's it. No need to read between the lines. Don't side-track the thread by starting other topics.

My point for bringing those two ahadith in discussion was not to prove Prophet's succession but to say that if tribalism of Banu Hashim is to blame then blame Prophet for giving us ahadith like above about his BROTHER fellow Banu-Hashmiite (tribalism).

Coming back to your original post:

The reason I made post no. 11 was your comment "The whole muslim community has been held hostage to fights of arab tribes to monarchy. "

Here you seem to say that all these discussions are political in nature. I said yes they are political but their implications are immense on from where you get religion. And so these political discussions are important.

Do you still have any objection on my post no. 11 for which you made the comment?

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true to an extent ( for some like zhul qila) but by this time they have seen that it was more profitable to be in the ummayyad camp , these mercinaries were hardly likely to be swayed away by sermons.

btw kharijis were better than most syrians

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Sure, Mukhtar was no political threat at that time. But the very fact that Yazid was guilty of killing Prophet's family was enough to ensure that SOMEONE or SOME PEOPLE will cause harm to the monarchy of the family of Abu Sufiyan.
It eventually showed in the form of Mukhtar al-Thaqafi.

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yes thats true

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It is the thoughts like these that make me uncomfortable. You are not alone in saying that kharijis were not so bad, even though they killed Imam Ali, and they used to call other Muslims kafir, and used to consider other Muslims’ worthy of being made slaves/kaneez.
Today Taliban freaks are saying similar things about other Muslims, especially shia Muslims; and yet most Pakistanis still think those freaks are not so bad.
One Taliban khariji just blew himself up in the Muharram procession in Karachi, killing at least 20 people. And I know people like you would still say they are not so bad.

In 1990s, when SSP (another khariji brand, trained by Taliban) used to kill at least 10 shias in Karachi every day, I used to hear from the best of my friends that this problem is simply between shias and SSP, and has nothing to do with them (Pakistan’s sunni majority). I used to be amazed at this thinking. Because it was not about shias, violence in a section of population was bound to envelope the whole society in general. And that’s eventually what happened.
Today due to all the violence perpetrated by these kharjis against Pakistanis in general, most Pakistanis now see Taliban kharijis just what they are. A bunch of moron anti-Islam freaks, who can not be argued and can only be crushed.
But unfortunately, there are still people like you who support these fasadi freaks.

And what’s your best argument for justifying all this terror against Muslims by these Taliban kharijis? One general statement by Imam Ali in sermon 60, made more than 1000 years ago?

BTW, that Umar Abdul Muttalib, another khariji would-be suicide bomber from Nigeria, also used to say that Taliban kharijis were ok … just as people like you.

DAWN.COM | World | Nigeria jet bomb suspect was a teenage preacher
“I remember… he thought the Taliban were OK, whereas all the other Muslim kids at school thought they were a bunch of nutters,” Rimmer said.

Sorry for this digress. I am upset today due to khariji attack on Muharram procession where me and my family use to go. One of those could have been me or any of my family members.
I can’t compromise with people who support kharijis waiting to kill me only for being shia.

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^ it was khawarij of those times i am refering to , so chill ...plus we have discussed how theologically talibs today are different from khawarij