Imam Mehdi is here???

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Why just Quran? Why not hadeeth?
According to Sahih Bukhari, the most reliable and authentic hadeeth, Mehdi will come.

Mehdi will come during Jesus' arrival (according to hadeeth), or vice versa. This is why I called you an idiot!

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many of the ahadeeth are fabricated. you knew that right, didnt you? ahadeeth were collected three hundred years AFTER the death of Muhammad(PBUH). you knew that right? there is no way of telling whether a hadith is right or wrong. you know that right? they are the same place in islam as gospels have in christianity. we dont accept gospels as the true account of what jesus christ did in his lifetime, and you believe in accounts that were collected three hundred years later? there are several riwayats that clearly contradicts the Quran. there are some that create doubts about the authenticity of the Quran, even though God has said that he will be the one protecting the authenticity of the Quran.
there are different details about this Mehdi. shias believe that he has been in hiding for the last several centuries and will reappear at the end of times. Sunnis believe that he will be born one day. both cite ahadiths. both believe they are authentic. both can not be true at the same time.
if god had intended for some Mehdi to come he would have atleast indicated it in the Quran ONCE. but he did not. isnt he all seeing? did not he know about the future? if God knew about it why didnt he mention it in the Quran.
personally i believe anything that does not even have the slilghtest hint in the quran but is mentioned anywhere in the ahadeeth should be rejected.
there is no logic for it. there will be a day of judgement and the quran has clearly told you that. but trust me there is no one coming to save you. the belief in mehdi is just like christians telling you that if you embrace christianity then all your sins will be washed away.
time to wake up guy. oh by the way your talk is immature, your thought limited. people who can not have an arguement will usually revert to name calling, as you have done in this case. you can not argue with me on the basis of logic and facts.
stop living in the fantasy world. didnt god tell us that even he does not change the state of the nation unless it (nation) starts struggling for it. why would he send a Mehdi is beyond me.
wake up. it is about time.

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Well being an Ahmadi (and not Qadiyani) i c u folks already said what i was about to say about his claims.

For all others keep waiting for the Imam Mahdi/Hazrat Isa'a/Messiah etc. etc.

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and what will be his task, as per same ahadiths, Jesus will Kill Anti-Christ, and the only thing Imam Mehdi will be do is to lead the prayers and if i also quote the shia belivies on it, He will dig out the graves of Abu Bakr (RZA) and Umer (RZA) and lash their dead bodies, give fidak back to ahl-e-bait and all then all the Imams of ahl-e-bait will return and rule the islamic ummah and crap of this kind.

Illama Iqbal has a very saying about Mehdi's Image.

thay tu woh aa'ba tumharay tum kya ho
haath per haath dharay muntazir-e-farda ho

here muntazir-e-farda means waiting for someone like mehdi to come and do the work for u, this believe was quite popular in Jews, and i think has penetrated amoung muslims as well.

as per Iqbal,
howi jis key khudi pehlay baidar, hay wohi mehdi

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Peace All

There will be various imposters who will come to capitalise on the names of those people i.e. Isa (AS) and Mahdi ...

People will be rejecting them after some will accept them. It is also defined in hadith that Mahdi will come in a time when he least expected and many people will have dismissed the prophecies.

In the Qur'an there is one implicit verse which refers to the "Imam" many have called this person in the general sense the leader of the people at the time of when it is read, but also in the specific sense it has been said to refer to Mahdi.

People who wait in complacent anticipation for Mahdi without doing deeds to strengthen their iman they will fall prey to the imposters and will fall prey to Dajjal the biggest imposter. So it is never true that the accusation of Mahdi is in hadith being a mode to passify Muslims.

There are many hadith which point to the soundness of Mahdi.

Mahdi will also not be accepted straight away and when he comes his mission will not be about giving sermons and writing letters to leaders. All leadership will be expected to be placed in his hands and he will have a military mission.

Poverty will be abolished before he dies.

In order to ensure that we are amongst the people who are in the fold of the last great leader we need to be up to speed with our aqeedah and iman and patience and regularity or else we are sitting ducks for the Dajjal.

Isa (AS) will come during the military mission of the Mahdi, which means Mahdi will come first ... however Dajjal will appear before Isa (AS) as is commonly understood.

The two moons are quite a natural phenomenon that is the total eclipse in the first few days and the lunar eclipse in the middle of the month. This is a regular event combination but not that regular even less regular is when they coincide with Ramadan, but it does happen. Those are the times we are to search for Mahdi. Also Mahdi will be seen at the doors of Kaabah during bloodshed at the Haram. This should not be confused for the bloodshed that was deliberately started in the 60s ... furthermore during that bloodshed there was no eclipse.

The major sign is that he will not only not call himself Mahdi but he will not accept bayat either until he is forced. I mean physically forced and he will set his conditions. He will be the best most humble of the ummah and his name will not be any of the above ...

He will be Muhammad son of Abdullah father of Abdullah ... Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Abdullah ... He will be crying at the foot of the door to the Kaabah asking Allah (SWT) for Rahma.

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The major sign is that he will not only not call himself Mahdi but he will not accept bayat either until he is forced. I mean physically forced and he will set his conditions. He will be the best most humble of the ummah and his name will not be any of the above ...

He will be Muhammad son of Abdullah father of Abdullah ... Abu Abdullah Muhammad ibn Abdullah ... He will be crying at the foot of the door to the Kaabah asking Allah (SWT) for Rahma.

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So u are saying that so called mehdi will be reluctunt to accept the duty Allah All mighty has given him, i recall the incident of Hazrat Younis (AS) when he did almost the same and was punished by Allah tabarek'o'tala, have any hadith has mentioned how will he be punished for not accepting his duty?

Or it is like, Because he is Mehdi, so Allah will not punish him like he punished Hazrat Younis(AS). if this is the case then, his position is higher then prophets, isn't it.

Again talking about ahadith of Mehdi, there are lots of them, but i haven't seen any which tells me what Mehdi do once Hazrat Essa (AS) will appear and kill Dajjal? it is like he just disappear from the scene!!! have u known any please do provide me the same with proper ref.

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Peace hanibal

I am not saying the likes at all. There is a world of difference between people Allah (SWT) ordering his messengers through revelation and a bunch of rowdy Muslims who are forcing the Mahdi to accept allegience.

Also the role is of leadership and one cannot be the most humble person if he does not shy away from being leader. To readily accept leadership is to be against the grain of a righteous leader let alone the Mahdi.

The hadith of Mahdi are signs they are not precognitive documentaries. One sign will lead to the next. The absence of Mahdi's whereabouts after the accounts of Isa (AS) do not mean anything. There are hadith about the distribution of wealth and the Yajuj Majuj it is quite possible that Mahdi will be shaheed, but again if it is not known by signs it does not mean anything either way.

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Allah had ordered Younis(AS) to call people to Islam but with Imam Mahdi there is no such case so your comparison is totally wrong.
Imam Mahdi will lead the war against antichrist and in this war Jesus(AS) will kill dajjal and a peaceful government under Jesus will follow until his death.
May be Imam Mahdi will get Shahadah in the war(Allah hu Alim)

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Exactly.

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Mehidies have been appearing since the first century hijri.

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For example?

And?

Wrong. You don't know about science of hadith, please read about it.

Some accounts don't contradict with Islamic scriptures so we accept them.

Please give some examples?

Please provide reference for both ahadith or riwaya, thank you. I think you are missing many things.

May be its not that important or may be it is mentioned in the Quran but we are still unable to understand it.

For example?

This is also a sign that people will forget or least expect the coming of Mahdi.

No, no one is saying here if you believe in Mahdi your sins will be washed away.

Because every nation needs a Leader(Imam).

I agree that we should be struggling even when we see the very last sing of the Qyamah.

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I find it strange that, Mehdi ahadith are there which even says what mehdi will say and do and bla bla bla but none of them says what will he do when Anti-Christ will be killed by Jesus. How come Shahdah of such Important personality is not mentioned when his different battles and other names are there??? doesn't make any sense...

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So u r suggesting that in the ahadith which says that Mehdi will lead the great wars and all that things is not from Allah, he will do it by himself and the Prophet has just spoken about a person who will come in late ages... is that what u are suggesting???

one more question for u! if He is going to Shaheed in that war then why it is not mentioned in ahadith??? was it hard or the fabricater never thought of that???

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Ahadith have given us some hints of the end days.....you are mistaken if you expect ahadith to be like stories and biographies.

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I think i was clear what iam asking for, if u have something on that then reply me, otherwise please do not quote me.

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Peace hanibal

http://www.irshad.org/islam/prophecy/mahdi.htm

Please see this site:

It covers:

"According to these reliable, authentic, and universally accepted narrations, Mahdi will:

-Be from among the family of Prophet(SAW), among the descendants of Fatima(RA);
-Have a broad forehead and pointed noise;
-Appear in one night;
-Appear just before the day of judgment;
-Have same name as hazrat Muhammad(SAW);
-Escape from Madina to Makkah where people will pledge allegiance to him;
-Receive pledge and help of Iraqi people;
-Fight in battles;
-Rule over the Arabs for seven years according to Sunnah;
-Spread justice and equity on earth;
-Eradicate tyranny and oppression;
-Lead a prayer in Mekkah which Jesus(pbuh) will follow in;
-NOT be the same individual as the Promised Messiah (Jesus)."

According to these hadith, Mahdi will:

-Be from the Family of Prophet(SAW) and descend from Hussain(RA), son of Fatima(RA);
-Appear at the end of time;
-Appear when earth is filled with injustice and tyranny and believers are severely oppressed;
-Appear when a severe earthquaker will occur and green grass will grow (presumably in Arabia);
-Fill the earth with justice and equity;
-Spread brotherhood, equity, and devotion among Muslims;
-Rule over Muslim community, according to Hadith, for seven or nine years;
-Live and act with the qualities of the holy Prophet(SAW).

These narrations are based on opinion of single individuals and are not reliable. However, they indicate that Mahdi might:

-Not appear until all Muslims are divided and curse each other (i.e. no brotherhood);
-Appear when tyranny and oppression rule and no Muslim is free;
-Be announced by a voice from heavens;
-Fill the earth with justice and equity;
-Lead the prayer which Jesus(pbuh) will follow.

It also contains an untraceable hadith regarding the phenomenon of solar and lunar eclipses to occur in reverse order. This has never been accepted by the scholars.

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Peace hanibal

It is likely that Mahdi is already passed away when Dajjal is killed. The Mahdi will only rule for 7 years. He will lead the prayers behind him will be Isa (AS) for a time. Isa (AS) will live for 40 years after descension so it seems that Dajjal may be around longer than Mahdi ... Allahu'Alim.

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each and every detail is there other than, what will happen to him during or ater the war??? and that what iam asking? why hadith is silent on this issue… it did talk on almost every part…
yani fabricator should have sense to create the end to this myth,

if you are interested i can put on the details of this myth, how it got created and how, Shias used it against Ummayads and later when Abbasids betrayed them how they put on new narrations to have a hope to create a Khilafah for Aal-e Hussain (RZA).

but above mentioned requires lots of time and typing, if i have to do it, then i can only ( if Allah Permits) do it on Friday.

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Peace hanibal

When the signs of the coming of Mahdi are there then the attention is drawn to the coming of the Masih (AS). That is the reason why there is little information about the death of Mahdi.

On seeing this, the Abdaals of Shaam as well as large numbers of people from Iraq will come to him and pledge their allegiance to him. Then a person from the Quraish, whose uncle will be from the Bani Kalb tribe will send an army to attack him, only to be overpowered, by the will of Allah. This (defeated) army will be that of the Bani Kalb. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not receive a share from the booty of the Kalb. This person (Imam Mahdi) will distribute the spoils of war after the battle. He will lead the people according to the Sunnat and during his reign Islam will spread throughout the world. He will remain till seven years (since his emergence). He will pass away and the Muslims will perform his Janazah salaat.
(Abu Dawood)

This hadith refers to the death of Mahdi and states only 7 years will be under his rule. The more important message within these hadith are that when he comes he will align the Muslims and when he goes we turn to Isa (AS) for the rest of his time on Earth which will be between 34 to 39 years after Mahdi passes away.

As a Muslim I have trust in the hadith but I do not follow them without question especially just on simple say so. I understand that there needs to be a concerted effort for Muslims to work and educate themselves in the spirit of Islam Iman and Ihsan.

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Allah hasn't spoken to Mahdi like He spoke to Younis(AS), Allah gave Younis(AS) a task and in Mahdi's case it will be just his destiny that Allah has created for him.

May be because he's not going to shaheed in that war and when will he die is not mentioned in hadith.....its just not there bcoz its not important.