Yes, its true that false prophets and mahdis cannot lead ummah to the right path, AND neither can the prophets and mahdis who would never appear.
Ummah has been waiting for mahdi for a century or so ... prolly gonna be a long long wait.
Waiting of ummah for so long may be is due to wrong calculation of timing and does not justify har ara ghaira natho khaira to start claiming.
It appears that you believe that mehdi is here already can you tell me more about his personal traits like whether he was lier or not , what was his character etc. Lets judge that person based on his traits.
Yes, its true that false prophets and mahdis cannot lead ummah to the right path, AND neither can the prophets and mahdis who would never appear.
Ummah has been waiting for mahdi for a century or so ... prolly gonna be a long long wait.
Yes, its true that false prophets and mahdis cannot lead ummah to the right path, AND neither can the prophets and mahdis who would never appear.
Mehdi [A.S.] followed by Hazrat Isa [A.S.] will only appear with the Will of Allah Almighty and has to do with the events on the ground. If you are following the events in Middle East – the events are moving in direction as stated in ahadith.
Ummah has been waiting for mahdi for a century or so ... prolly gonna be a long long wait.
Ummah can wait – It is the Will of Allah Almighty that counts!
What have you and your jamaat to show for 100 plus years after demise of your jamaat’s founder?
According to your jamaat’s beliefs – the founder of the jamaat had the attributes (I am using Kchughtai words) of Mehdi [A.S.], Hazrat Isa [A.S.], Krishna and yes that of Prophet Muhammad (saw) too!
With these high-powered ‘attributes’ what has he achieved? He managed to lead astray millions of people (present population world wide (15 million), Right?
Your leadership had absolutely no say in world affairs. Absolutely none!
What have you and your jamaat to show for 100 plus years after demise of your jamaat’s founder?
According to your jamaat’s beliefs – the founder of the jamaat had the attributes (I am using Kchughtai words) of Mehdi [A.S.], Hazrat Isa [A.S.], Krishna and yes that of Prophet Muhammad (saw) too!
With these high-powered ‘attributes’ what has he achieved? He managed to lead astray millions of people (present population world wide (15 million), Right?
Your leadership had absolutely no say in world affairs. Absolutely none!
An answer has been given plenty of time about Mirza Ghulam Ahmad's (as) claim of being Messiah, Mahdi, Krishna. I will explain again though. His claim is simply that whomever people have been waiting for, he is that person. Hindus are not going to have their separate Krishna reappear, Christians are not going to have a separate Messiah, and muslims are not going to have a separate Mahdi.
About the "attributes", all prophets do share some common attributes.
As for achievements of jamaat, the establishment of Khilafat is a shining example of achievement. What other organization can claim the likes of it. We all know muslims tried to have a khalifa-tul-muslimeen and how it ended.
Explaining the miracles of Holy Quran, showing its compatibility with modern science, translating it in more than 100 languages for people of various nations to benefit from it.
Defending Islam against the propaganda of Hindus and Christianity in a time when only a handful of muslim scholars had the knowledge and courage to answer objections raised against islam. Writing 80+ books explaining in-depth knowledge of islamic philosophy. I know you will love to mention a few passages that you read on websites like AlHafeez and Irshad.org. I encourage you to read "Islami Asool Ki Philosphy" with an open heart, and tell me if its a work of any "aira ghaira nathu khaira".
Delivering the message of islam globally through the first non-commerical islamic televesion station broadcasting 24/7. With all the riches of oil, no other muslim country could accomplish this.
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Your leadership had absolutely no say in world affairs. Absolutely none!
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Jamaat Ahmadiyya is a religious organization, not a political one. Our main purpose is to deliver the message of Islam and to show by our actions that Islam is a Peaceful religion.
Imam Mahdi (as) will be a real person who will be from progeny of Prophet Muhammad (saw) – His name will be Muhammad ibn Abdullah – same as that of Prophet Muhammad’s (saw).
Prophet Muhammad (saw) gave his Ummah detailed description of Imam Mahdi (as) so that Muslims will not be fooled by fraudulent wannabes.
Below are very few details from ahadith – NOTE NONE FIT Mirza Ghulam Ahmad!!!
Muhammad’s (saw) progeny Imam Mahdi is from the household of the Prophet Mohammad, Allah’s peace and blessings be upon him. (Ahmad, Ibn Majah).
His name and surname will be the same as the name and surname of prophet Mohammad. (Abu Dawud).
Imam Mahdi will be born in Arabia, he will be from Quraish.
His forehead will be broad and his nose will be high, His face will shine like a star and he will have a black spot on his left cheek. (Tabarani).
The Mahdi will be from the progeny of the Prophet Mohammad, from the descendants of Fatimah. (Abu Daud).
His facial features and character will be the same as that of the prophet Mohammad. (Abu Dawud).
Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) – the one and only – not attributes – will descend in Damascus – that is thousands of miles from Qadian in space and time of arrival. So Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a misfit here.
Krishna is non-issue as it is just Hindu belief and they do believe in reincarnation – so let it be.
Shining example? Your ‘khalifah and his khilaafat’ under the protection of Queen Elizabeth II at her pleasure. She is the head of Church of England – the very Church Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has claimed to have destroyed!!!
What a quirk of fate!!! The ones one claimed to have destroyed are sought for shelter.
You are bound to say the above because your murabbis won’t let you be exposed to works of Muslim Scholars for fear that you become infested by knowledge therein.
That is a lie – There were great scholars at that time. Mirza Ghulam Ahmad was very aggressive and abusive in his style of debating and created a lot of controversies.
Great scholar Rahmatullah Kairanawi authored masterpiece book titled Izhar ul-Haqq in 1864. In it he comprehensively destroyed Christianity. This book was used by Sheikh Ahmad Deedat (May Allah have Mercy on him and reward him immensely) in debating present-day Christian scholars.
This is about 36 before Mirza Ghulam Ahmad declared himself to be a prophet!!!
Again I’ll blame your murabbis – may be they have tuned your TVs to one channel only. Take courage and try to flick the programmes and you will be surprised to see to your surprise. Don’t let your murabbis catch you doing this! You will have stand in the corner with a dunce hat on!
??? Imam Mahdi (as) and Isa ibn Marym (as) are to be political and spiritual leaders. There you go – false leadership!!!
Imam Mehdi (AS) and Isa (AS) would appear when Allah would wish so and one should not worry about when they would appear but should worry about their belief on them.
It is just like one should not worry about when ‘day of judgement’ would come but should worry about belief on ‘day of judgement’
For a person, their deed of life in this world ends the time they die, that is all ... nothing to do with appearance of Isa (AS) or Mehdi (AS) other than element of beliefs the person has about them before his/her death … as consequence of a person's beliefs (Iman) before death and deeds (Amaal) stays after death.
Anyhow, as for beliefs, it is evident that Isa (AS) has not appeared yet nor Mehdi (AS) has appeared yet and that would happen in future whenever Allah would wish so. Mehdi (AS) would appear first followed by Isa (AS).
what does the hadith of Ibn e majah means which states ' There is no Mahdi except Isa ' ?
Is there any hadith which states that Mahdi will lead the funeral prayer of Isa(as), or Isa(as) leading funeral prayer of Mahdi (as) ?
Can you please be kind enough to copy/paste the exact arabic text of a hadith in which it states .. and then Isa(as) will die, and Muslims will pray his funeral prayer ? ( want to emphasis on the 'die' arabic text )
Can you shed light on the donkey on which dajjal will be riding ? Sure, Isa (as) will kill dajjal.. what about the donkey though ? Any mention of what will happen to donkey in any hadith ?
If there are two different personalities, what if some muslim follows Isa(as) and some dont follow Mahdi (as), one or the other ?
Also, according to you belief, will Mahdi claim to be a Mahdi (as) ? or will people recognize him ? Both the answer will raise many questions.. some of which are : according to your belief, door of revelation has been closed, therefore, Allah cannot tell anyone who is Mahdi. If the answer is that people will recognize him, then.. I'm afraid everyone will have their own favorite Mahdi.
Answer these questions as I have way many questions but I'll stop here. I asked straight forward questions and expect straight forward answers. Keep all your other irrelevant statements to yourself. Thanks.
Popat – Yes the hadith you have is used a lot in Ahmadi/Qadiani debates.
This hadith is declared weak and as it clashes other authentic ahadith material it carries not weight. You should know that.
Read the following :
Does The Mahdi refer to Hadhrat Isa (AS)?***
*Allamah Ibn Qayyim (RA) states that the Ahaadith regarding Imaam Mahdi (AS) are of four types, authentic, reliable, weak and concocted. Similarly, there are four views regarding the coming of Imaam Mahdi (AS) in the final era. One of the views is that The Mahdi refers to Hadhrat Isa (AS). The proponents of this view have used the above-mentioned Hadith as a proof. As a matter of fact, even they have acceded to the fact that this narration is not 100% reliable.
Even if we assume that this narration is reliable, still too, it cannot be used to refute the coming of Imaam Mahdi (AS). The reason being that between Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the advent of Qiyaamah, Hadhrat Isa (alaihis sa- laam) will be the greatest Mahdi (Guide), as is borne out by the various Ahaadith.
He will descend on the east Minaarat of the Musjid in Damascus and he will rule in accordance to the Qur`aan Majeed. He will fight the Jews and Christians and take Jizya from them. During his reign all the religions will dissipate. It will be true to say that he will be the Mahdi (guide), and besides him there will be no other. Although there will be another man who will be Imaam Mahdi (AS). Therefore, when Hadhrat Isa (AS) is referred to as The Ma- hdi it implies that he will be the perfect, complete and sinless Guide.*
But you can see that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad rejects all ahadith accept which, to quote him, which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI.
“The basis for our claims is not Hadith but Quran and that Wahi which comes to me. Yes, in support we also present those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. Rest of the Hadith, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER.” (Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.140)
This guy has rejected all authentic ahadith which did not fit in with his nefarious agenda.
The Criteria for recognizing Imam Mahdi (as) and Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) is NOT where they will be buried or who is going to lead whose funeral prayers.
Ha! You think that I am to fall for your (Ahmadi/Qadiani) oft used ploy?
Just because there is hadith which states that when Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) will eventually die (this proves that he is still alive) the Muslims at that time will perform his funeral prayers and that he will be buried next the grave of Prophet Muhammed (saw).
Burial next to the Prophet (saw) doesn’t confirm genuineness of Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) rather it is information for the Muslims of that time to know where he should be buried upon his death.
I have asked a friend to search this for me – in meantime can you copy/paste the same and prove your point.
Most probably the donkey will be blown up to smithereens I guess.
Now let’s see what are Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s one of many versions of Dajjal (plus the donkey)
“"Perhaps developed nations are Dajjal and their donkey is this Railway train which you see going from thousands of kilometers in the countries of East and West.” (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.174)
Despite considering Railway Train as creation of Dajjal and his donkey, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad never hesitated in riding it whenever he was traveling long distances. When he was asked about it, he said:
“If the donkey of Maseeh Dajjal is this railway train .. then he who claims to be Promised Messiah also rides it, then how can it be Dajjal’s donkey? Answer is that because of its ownership, possession and total custody and creation of Band of Dajjal, it is called donkey of Dajjal … then if God wants believers to benefit from the possessions and products of Dajjal then what is the harm? … apart from that Promised Messiah is the killer of Dajjal, that is spiritually, then according to the Hadith ‘mun qatala qateelun’ whatever belongs to Dajjal, it belongs to Messiah.”** (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.555)**"
This is just a speculative question but I will answer it anyhow.
To be a Muslim is to follow both of them. They are on a Divine Mission – Like Muslims follow Prophet Muhammad (saw) and follow Hz. Abu Bakr as Saddique (ra) (Because Hz. Abu Bakr as Saddique (ra) is a true of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
The People of knowledge will recognise him from the signs and information given by the Prophet (saw).
The keyword is people of knowledge – they cannot be fooled just as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad could not fool the people of knowledge.
Only deviants or with limited knowledge will follow any Ahmads, Ghulams or Mirzas claiming to be mahdi/prophet/Krishna.
You have your Favourite mahdi, don’t you?
And mind you I don’t have time to be dragged into ongoing speculative question & answer highway with no end.
I have tried my best to answer your forward questions with straight forward answers.
Truth hurts – when stumped for an answer – make other’s statement as irrelevant – typical!
Now allow me to put forward a straight question to you and expect a straight forward answer from you.
Which of the following statements of Mirza ghulam Ahmad you agree with:
“I do not claim that I am the same Mahdi who will come according to (words of Hadith) ‘from the son of Fatima and from my progeny’ etc.”(Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya V, Roohani Khazain vol.21 p.356)
"We admit this that several Mahdis may have come before and possibly will come in future as well and probably someone by the name of Imam Muhammad may also appear." (Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.379)
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“It is possible and quite possible that at some time in future such Messiah may appear upon whom the literal words of Hadith(of Holy Prophet) fit, because this humble self has not come with the Reign and Command of this world, but with poverty and humility.*” (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.197)
"It is possible that in future no Messiah may come. It is possible 10,000 more Messiah may come and one of them may descend in Damascus." (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.251)
I got a lot more coming - let’s see how you deal with this initially.
So this is how it goes. Whatever goes against your aqaid is a weak hadith. Why do you blame me when I say the same thing on certain ahadith telling you that they are weak, or thats how they should be taken etc ?
Even your quote above says Hz Isa (as) will be greatest mahdi. There is no Mahdi except Isa(as).
then there’s a hadith which states , how will your condition be when Isa son of mary (as) will descent among you and your imam will be from among you
Just a lil bit of knowledge of Islam and common sense can solve this.
Let me tackle it in two ways. Hz Muhammad PBUH is talking to sahabah (ra) >> How will YOUR condition be , descent among YOU , Imam from among YOU .. whose that you he’s talking to ?? THat’s right sahabah. Isnt it unfortunate, that you take the YOU as the people of latter time ( and not the sahabah to whom Muhammad PBUH is talking ) and take the same Ibn e maryam which was sent some 560 years before Hz Muhammad PBUH ? Either the people of latter time are metaphorically compared with Sahabah , and same goes with Isa ibn e maryam, if not.. then both has to be taken literally. Same sahabah Muhammad PBUH was talking to and same Ibn e maryam.
Ok, now that was one side to it. Another of it is that what was the need of Muhammad PBUH to even say that your imam will be from among you??? Ofc they are always from among us. Do we call on Chrisitian priest to lead us?? It only leaves one possibility and that is..that Isa ibn e maryam will descend and he will be our imam and will be from among us!
You’re too fond of doing same thing over and over. This is your problem and I dont even like debating with you for that reason. What is so difficult in understanding what you quoted ??
Yes, according to your own belief, Imam Mahdi will be a just haakim. To you, haakim has to be someone who is leading the nation, but no thats not the case. He will be a just ruler, because he has the authority of deciding which hadith is right and which is not. Afterall, he has to bring all muslim ummah under one flag right ? He has the authority from Allah and by Allah’s will he will tell which ahadith from shia books of ahadith, sunni books of ahadith etc are authentic and which are not. What seems difficult for you to grasp ? put it on yourself for a minute. Hz Isa (as) came and hes telling you which hadith is authentic and which is not. I will feel pity on you if you say Hz Isa (as) is wrong and nauzubillah your so called fine sense of judgement is right about ahadith. So kindly, lets put an end to this once and for all. Read what i wrote very carefully and use this quote of mine for your future reference.
Again, you do not have answers to these. If they are two personalities, one must pray funeral of the other! find me any hadith which has anything like that..
Hz Isa(as) already is dead! Quran speaks loudly on this matter. Why do you even need to accept Isa(as) when you have accepted him once? There is no obligation on you to follow him or accept him. You are waiting for a prophet yourself. Old or new is irrelevant. Your own aqaid are so messed up, and you’re here pointing fingers at others. Being burried next to prophet Muhammad PBUH means nothing literally. It only implies that his living and his death will be all for the sake of Muhammad PBUH and for the propagation of the true teachings of Islam, His name will be same, his attributes will be same as his, he will follow quran, as if everything he will do will be in complete accordance to Islam. It means nothing else. It’s rather funny how you’re going to wait till he is actually buried beside holy prophet’s grave in order to accept him as the Hz Isa(as). If that doesnt happen, there will be many like you raising same question on that day. Come on, dont make Islam a joke.
Holy prophet Muhammad PBUH has told us about the time or the era of the coming of Promised Messiah. One of the way he explained dajjal is by its characteristics, i.e : one eyed, powerful, anti christ, deceiver etc. Then He PBUH explained the time when it will appear >> era of technology ( donkey whose ears are so big, people will enter in it from one ear, his 2 ears will have such many feet of distance, it will eat fire, it will cover the distance of days in minutes, it will bring out the treasures of Earth, it will kill anyone who dont worship him ).. what is it ?? era of technology !
How do we prevent ourselves from dajjal ? Read first 10 and last 10 ayah of surah al kahf. Speaking of people who claim God has son, and last 10 ayahs referring to people who are civilized.
LOL, when you have less knowledge, thats when you ask stupid question such as why he used to ride in train if its the donkey of dajjal? lol.
It’s the era in which dajjal will appear. And it has. Connect the dots yourself. All the technology that we see today are invented by western powers, who are all christians. People who attack Islam ( refer to the dream of Muhammad PBUH where dajjal was doing tawaaf of kaaba ) ( there’s another hadith in which it says dajjal cannot enter makkah ). So, really.. think about it for Allah’s sake ! Dream means dajjal is trying to find way to attack Kaaba aka, Islam. Then Muhammad PBUH says, it cannot enter Makkah. Do you see how everything just fits in so perfectly ? You won’t see it because its not your fault. Allah has set a seal on your eyes and you will keep blindly following whatever has been fed to you.
Don’t be amazed when Allah’s chosen one has come to us in this era. If you do not want to follow it, kindly do not say harsh words against Him. Allah does not like people who says things against his chosen people. Fear Allah as He should be feared and dont exceed your limits in religion matters.
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**So this is how it goes. Whatever goes against your aqaid is a weak hadith. **Why do you blame me when I say the same thing on certain ahadith telling you that they are weak, or thats how they should be taken etc ?
Can you share yur thought why it is not a weak hadith.
Brother ibn sadique already commented that it also contradict some sahih ahadith so there is no new criteria for this hadith. We dont need to twist thing around, you see. :)
This is just a speculative question but I will answer it anyhow.
To be a Muslim is to follow both of them. They are on a Divine Mission – Like Muslims follow Prophet Muhammad (saw) and follow Hz. Abu Bakr as Saddique (ra) (Because Hz. Abu Bakr as Saddique (ra) is a true of Prophet Muhammad (saw).
Wait, what ?? Divine mission , ok. But who will tell them they're on divine mission ? the door of revelation is closed ! Who follows who ? who is the ultimate authority ? Hz Isa a.s or Imam Mahdi a.s ? This is the first time i've ever heard people choosing someone whose from Allah lol.
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The People of knowledge will recognise him from the signs and information given by the Prophet (saw).
The keyword is people of knowledge – they cannot be fooled just as Mirza Ghulam Ahmad could not fool the people of knowledge.
Only deviants or with limited knowledge will follow any Ahmads, Ghulams or Mirzas claiming to be mahdi/prophet/Krishna.
You have your Favourite mahdi, don’t you?
And mind you I don’t have time to be dragged into ongoing speculative question & answer highway with no end.
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Unbelievable ! People of knowledge will recognize him. Never heard Allah giving people choice of deciding whose from Allah. In matter of khilaafat its different, but someone whose from Allah ..ah i don't know what to say to that, really. They're both divinely guided yet who is going to bring to them message of Allah is a big question because coming of Gabriel is no longer permissible by people like you.
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Truth hurts – when stumped for an answer – make other’s statement as irrelevant – typical!
Now allow me to put forward a straight question to you and expect a straight forward answer from you.
Which of the following statements of Mirza #Ghulam Ahmad you agree with:
"I do not claim that I am the same Mahdi who will come according to (words of Hadith) 'from the son of Fatima and from my progeny' etc."(Braheen-e-Ahmadiyya V, Roohani Khazain vol.21 p.356)
"We admit this that several Mahdis may have come before and possibly will come in future as well and probably someone by the name of Imam Muhammad may also appear." (Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.379)
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"It is possible and quite possible that at some time in future such Messiah may appear upon whom the literal words of Hadith(of Holy Prophet) fit, because this humble self has not come with the Reign and Command of this world, but with poverty and humility." *(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.197)**
"It is possible that in future no Messiah may come. It is possible 10,000 more Messiah may come and one of them may descend in Damascus." (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol 3 p.251)
I got a lot more coming - let's see how you deal with this initially.
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you're one funny man. What does Mahdi mean ? The guided one. Yes, there have been many Mahdis before, many will come after as well. It's Islam we follow, which is a living religion, which allows people to become Sadiq, shaheed, saleh, and prophet. You dont have knowledge of Islam, and just like to keep quoting stuff. All the prophets are mahdis, they are all guided ones. Let me give you one fact about imam mahdi. The word 'imam mahdi' has not appeared together in either sahih muslim or sahih bukhari.
Not only 10,000 but even if 50,000 Mahdis come, it does not and should not matter. The one Prophet Muhammad PBUH prophesied has come and he has his jamaat and each year millions of people accepting it. You wna keep your eyes shut, youre more than welcome to.
Keep quoting out of text. Hz Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (as) received the revelation and it is : Jo teri tauheen ka iraada bhi kare ga, main uss ki tauheen kar doonga. So, keep doing it, and keep getting humiliated.
Can you share yur thought why it is not a weak hadith.
Brother ibn sadique already commented that it also contradict some sahih ahadith so there is no new criteria for this hadith. We dont need to twist thing around, you see. :)
it's not weak because in another hadith it states : how will your condition be when Jesus son of Mary(as) will descend among you and your Imam will be with you from among you.
Keep in mind, Imam are always from among us. No brainer there.
Jesus a.s is being referred here as our imam who will be from among us, not from some other outside shariyah.
Also, there is a lunar and solar eclipse hadith which even after its fulfillment is considered weak. It doesnt matter what people believe or how its categorizes, what happens before our eyes hold more strong message than how people have taken this hadith as.
it's not weak because in another hadith it states : how will your condition be when Jesus son of Mary(as) will descend among you and your Imam will be with you from among you.
Keep in mind, Imam are always from among us. No brainer there.
Jesus a.s is being referred here as our imam who will be from among us, not from some other outside shariyah.
Also, there is a lunar and solar eclipse hadith which even after its fulfillment is considered weak. It doesnt matter what people believe or how its categorizes, what happens before our eyes hold more strong message than how people have taken this hadith as.
Let see what brother ibn sadique has to say about this hadith, how people have commented on the hadith.
Can you give refrence for that hadith so that i can dig in?
This is one topic that is not discussed that often. Hence the confusions associated with it, for a very long time I have been confused between Imam Mahdi RA and Isa AS. Since they would be present in the same period, it creates confusions that whether there would be two people or would they be one. Anyways, I have learnt a bit on this topic in this thread. Keep the discussion going without putting each other (and their faiths) down.
It seems some people are confused on the issue of Isa (AS), Mehdi (AS) ... and are also bringing in Mirza Ghulam Ahmed in discussion ... thus I am going through the issue for lay person having basic knowledge of Islamic principles and beliefs.
If a person has knowledge of Islamic teaching, conclude things according to basic Islamic principles and beliefs then there would be no doubt that: ...
Isa (AS) and Mehdi (AS) are both different personalities.
And that
It is impossible that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed could be Isa (AS) or Mehdi (AS).
Though there are numerous reasons making even thinking absurd and ridiculous that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was by any sense Mehdi (AS) or Isa (AS) … I am putting down one basic Islamic principle that any lay person could apply, think, and then would understand why such thinking or belief is absurd (for Muslims).
Islam does not teach us to believe on reincarnation (a person getting reborn). According to basic Islamic principle and beliefs, each and every person can have one mother and one father … exception is that Isa (AS) having only mother [Mariam (AS)] … and no mother or father for Adam (AS) and Huwa (AS).
Actually, according to Islamic belief, all souls born or to be born in this world were installed on the back of Adam (AS) including prophet (SAW) and all Prophet (AS). From Adam (AS), Souls got transferred to next male born generation (sons) … Isa (AS) soul also travelled from one male generation to next until it reached father of Mariam (AS) and then it was first time (as far as we know) soul of a person [Isa (AS)] got transferred to a female descendant Mariam (AS).
Thus … Isa (AS) had no father … and no one other than Mariam (AS) could be mother of Isa (AS) … nor it is possible that Isa (AS) would (or could) be born again (remember, no reincarnation as far as Islam is concerned).
[Isa (AS) appearance before judgement day is only possible because Isa (AS) never died]
Similarly Father and Mother of Mehdi (AS) is fixed … and could be no one else … and from hadith it is known that Mehdi (AS) would be descendant of Prophet (SAW) through Fatima (AS) … Mehdi (AS) soul got transferred from Adam (AS) all the way from generation to generation ... to Abdul-Mutallib to Abu-Talib to Ali (RA) and from there onward. According to some hadith, Mehdi (AS) parents’ name would be Abdullah and Amina [same as name of Prophet (SAW) parents].
Thus, Knowing that there is no reincarnation in Islam ... and the way soul gets transferred from one generation to next … we can easily discard a whole lot of people from whom Mehdi (AS) would be born.
Isa (AS) and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed: It is obvious that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed could not be Isa (AS) … as he had both Father and Mother … and that he was born to Chiragh Bibi … whereas mother of Isa (AS) was Hazrat Mariam (AS) … as it is only Mariam (AS) who inherited the soul of Isa (AS) through her father, and that once born, it is impossible that Isa (AS) would have rebirth (absurdity of rebirth is only present in pagan religions).
Mehdi (AS) and Mirza Ghulam Ahmed: Mirza Ghulam Ahmed had father and mother. Father name was Mirza Ghulam Murtaza and mother name was Chiragh Bibi. It is very important to remember that none of Mirza Ghulam Ahmed parents were descendant of Prophet (SAW), neither name of his parents were same as parents’ name of Prophet (SAW) … so even to believe or think that Mirza Ghulam Ahmed was Mehdi (AS) or have any link with this eminent personality [Mehdi (AS)] is absurd
Another thing is that (as far as I know) … Mehdi (AS) appearance would be acknowledged by Muslims at large and his first fight would be against Kharjees amongst Muslims who would not acknowledge or accept him. It would be after him defeating opposition and overcoming all obstacles amongst Muslims, he would establish a unified Muslim Khalafat that would stand against Dajjal. It is important to remember that Mehdi (AS) would not be failure in his task (as he would have help from Allah in accomplishing his task successfully), and that in his life time he would not only unite Muslims, defeat Fitna within Muslims, but would become unchallenged Khalifa of Muslims.
Isa (AS) would appear once Mehdi (AS) would be acknowledged leader and Khalifa of Muslims.