Imam Mahdi (RA) and Hazrat Isa (AS)

Re: Imam Mahdi (RA) and Hazrat Isa (AS)

Popat – Yes the hadith you have is used a lot in Ahmadi/Qadiani debates.

This hadith is declared weak and as it clashes other authentic ahadith material it carries not weight. You should know that.

Read the following :


Does The Mahdi refer to Hadhrat Isa (AS)?***

*Allamah Ibn Qayyim (RA) states that the Ahaadith regarding Imaam Mahdi (AS) are of four types, authentic, reliable, weak and concocted. Similarly, there are four views regarding the coming of Imaam Mahdi (AS) in the final era. One of the views is that The Mahdi refers to Hadhrat Isa (AS). The proponents of this view have used the above-mentioned Hadith as a proof. As a matter of fact, even they have acceded to the fact that this narration is not 100% reliable.

Even if we assume that this narration is reliable, still too, it cannot be used to refute the coming of Imaam Mahdi (AS). The reason being that between Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) and the advent of Qiyaamah, Hadhrat Isa (alaihis sa- laam) will be the greatest Mahdi (Guide), as is borne out by the various Ahaadith.

He will descend on the east Minaarat of the Musjid in Damascus and he will rule in accordance to the Qur`aan Majeed. He will fight the Jews and Christians and take Jizya from them. During his reign all the religions will dissipate. It will be true to say that he will be the Mahdi (guide), and besides him there will be no other. Although there will be another man who will be Imaam Mahdi (AS). Therefore, when Hadhrat Isa (AS) is referred to as The Ma- hdi it implies that he will be the perfect, complete and sinless Guide.*

Imam Al-Mahdi

Further reading for you

Islam Question and Answer - The hadeeth ?There is no Mahdi except ?Eesa? is not saheeh

No Mahdi except ‘Isa | Ahmadiyya

52 Weak Ahadith

But you can see that Mirza Ghulam Ahmad rejects all ahadith accept which, to quote him, which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI.

“The basis for our claims is not Hadith but Quran and that Wahi which comes to me. Yes, in support we also present those Hadith which are according to Quran and DO NOT CONTRADICT MY WAHI. Rest of the Hadith, I THROW THEM AWAY LIKE A WASTE PAPER.” (Roohani Khazain vol.19 p.140)

This guy has rejected all authentic ahadith which did not fit in with his nefarious agenda.

The Criteria for recognizing Imam Mahdi (as) and Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) is NOT where they will be buried or who is going to lead whose funeral prayers.

Ha! You think that I am to fall for your (Ahmadi/Qadiani) oft used ploy?

Just because there is hadith which states that when Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) will eventually die (this proves that he is still alive) the Muslims at that time will perform his funeral prayers and that he will be buried next the grave of Prophet Muhammed (saw).

Burial next to the Prophet (saw) doesn’t confirm genuineness of Hz. Isa ibn Maryum (as) rather it is information for the Muslims of that time to know where he should be buried upon his death.

I have asked a friend to search this for me – in meantime can you copy/paste the same and prove your point.

I think the following will help you.

DAJJAL - Islamiat Science Aur… Nazariyat

Most probably the donkey will be blown up to smithereens I guess.

Now let’s see what are Mirza Ghulam Ahmad’s one of many versions of Dajjal (plus the donkey)

"Perhaps developed nations are Dajjal and their donkey is this Railway train which you see going from thousands of kilometers in the countries of East and West.(Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.174)

Despite considering Railway Train as creation of Dajjal and his donkey, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad never hesitated in riding it whenever he was traveling long distances. When he was asked about it, he said:

“If the donkey of Maseeh Dajjal is this railway train .. then he who claims to be Promised Messiah also rides it, then how can it be Dajjal’s donkey? Answer is that because of its ownership, possession and total custody and creation of Band of Dajjal, it is called donkey of Dajjal … then if God wants believers to benefit from the possessions and products of Dajjal then what is the harm? … apart from that Promised Messiah is the killer of Dajjal, that is spiritually, then according to the Hadith ‘mun qatala qateelun’ whatever belongs to Dajjal, it belongs to Messiah.”** (Izala-e-Auham, Roohani Khazain vol.3 p.555)**"