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How did you find out about my secret Presidents’ collection?
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To be fair it was kind of hard to avoid that in this thread since the entire topic is anti shia.
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Picard, stop nitpicking and list the references that you mentioned. The SUNNI references...OOooh.
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nitpicking? hows that?
Sure I’ll post the references…the ones about sahaba’s disregard for each other right?
Its completely off topic though so it wud be better if u open a new thread for that and start that thread with a dramatic challenge to me…u know to get everyones attention. Then I can jump in post the references. Everyone will be happy. What do u say?
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I really don't understand this. We believe in the same basic things. We have respect for the same Quran and the same God, and yet some of you can't carry a discussion in a civil manner. Insulting each other for your private beliefs about accessory matters in Islam reeks of immaturity and intolerance. Some of you guys need to stop thinking that you represent Islam. You just make everyone else look bad.
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As far as the original topic goes I cant understand why "mahdi" is awaited.
It's not even in the Quran - its in the hadith and I don't know how genuine is that.
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Khizr-e-Waqt az khilwat-e-Hijaaz Aayad baru
KaarwaaN zeeN waadi-e-door-o-daraaz ayad baru 
Hadhrat Umme Salmah:razi2: narrates that Rasulullah:saw: said,
"**After the death of a Ruler there will be some dispute between the people. At that time a citizen of Madina will flee (from Madinah) and go to Makkah. While in Makkah, certain people will approach him between Hajrul Aswad and Maqaame Ibraheem, and forcefully pledge their allegiance to him. **
Thereafter a huge army will proceed from Syria to attack him but when they will be at Baida, which is between Makkah and Madina, they will be swallowed into the ground.
On seeing this, the Abdaals of Shaam as well as large numbers of people from Iraq will come to him and pledge their allegiance to him. Then a person from the Quresh, whose uncle will be from the Bani Kalb tribe will send an army to attack him, only to be overpowered, by the will of Allah. This (defeated) army will be that of the Bani Kalb. Unfortunate indeed is he who does not receive a share from the booty of the Kalb. This person (Imam Mahdi) will distribute the spoils of war after the battle. He will lead the people according to the Sunnat and during his reign Islam will spread throughout the world. He will remain till seven years (since his emergence). He will pass away and the Muslims will perform his Janazah salaat."
(Abu Dawood)
According to a Hadeeth, Sayyidena Eesa:as: will lead the Janaazah of Imam Mahdi:as:
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Salam
The Holy Prophet(saw) said: The Mahdi will be of my family, of the descendants of Fatimah.
Sunan Abu Dawud, English version, Ch. 36, Tradition #4271 (narrated by Umm Salama, the wife of the Prophet)
Sunan Ibn Majah, v2, Tradition #4086
Jabir Ibn Abdillah al-Ansari (RA) said: I heard the Messenger of Allah saying: "A group of my Ummah will fight for the truth until near the day of judgment when Jesus, the son of Marry, will descend, and the leader of them will ask him to lead the prayer, but Jesus declines, saying: "No, Verily, among you Allah has made leaders for others and He has bestowed his bounty upon them."
Sahih Muslim, Arabic, part 2, p193
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v3, pp 45,384
So Imam a.s. will be from bibi Fatima's s.a. descendants and will lead a Prophet a.s. in the prayers. So it could be me as I am 'Rizvi' a descendant of bibi Fatima s.a. and I can possibly lead a Prophet a.s. What status Allah has granted the descendants of Fatima s.a. :D
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btw wht relevance does it have if hz Isa a.s. will lead the janazah of Imam a.s.?
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None of the hadiths mention that Imam mahdi will live in *cave *for centuries... the prophet could have easily mentioned that detail if it was true.
Ripper, a lot of other people claim *to be descendants of the Prophet but if it is true or not is a different topic. Having syed or rizvi, etc. after your name does not make you any holier than the rest of us. The activities of well known so called *shahs, syeds, etc. are well known.
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Ripper, a lot of other people claim *to be descendants of the Prophet but if it is true or not is a different topic. Having syed or rizvi, etc. after your name does not make you any holier than the rest of us. The activities of well known so called *shahs, syeds, etc. are well known.
I would like to clarify one thing. The prophet clearly mentioned that Imam a.s. will be a descendant of Fatima s.a. Which means there will be way to ascertain his lineage, which means there will be a proof of his lineage. tht proof is known as shajra e nasb, the family tree of Syeds. A true Syed would always have that. The activities of all non-Syeds are also known...so whats the point? But that would be off-topic so leave that.
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Jaan leva for once stop wondering about the Imam's a.s. residence. Ever wonder where Prophet Isa a.s. is living and how he is receiving his sustenance?
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Apparently, the big difference here is that Prophet Isa is a PROPHET (sanctioned by Allah, mentioned in Quran, etc.) and Imam Mahdi is not. Get it?
All we should be thinking and preparing for is that he will come and should take into account the sahi hadiths that are there which do not mention his birth and then live most of his life in a cave as Shias would want us to believe. It is one fantasy that does not make sense.
What do you think will happen to the *film *and *showbiz *industry when Imam Mahdi comes?
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O K. So according to you to receive special bounties of God one should be appointed by Allah? But the point is that even though Imam Medhi is not mentioned in the Quran he will lead hz Isa a.s in the prayers. Why is that?
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Because Imam Mahdi is descendant of Prophet Mohammad(pbuh)? There are hadiths that mention if previous prophets were here they would follow the religion of Mohammad(pbuh)... The prophet's hadith also mention that he will lead Hazrat Isa in prayers, that should be enough for us and induldging in these Why this and Why that is pointless. Comparing Hazrat Isa with Imam Mahdi does not help add authencity to the shia claims about him... they only make it weaker. If it is so true, one shouldn't need to compare an *Imam *to a Prophet.
Can you define what is/what makes an "imam?"
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JL in order for your argument to work you need to show that:
It is required for one to be a Prophet to recieve sustenance from Allah beyond one's natural lifetime. Ashaab e Kehf were not Prophets.
It is required to be a Prophet to get some sort of communication from Allah. Bibi mariam wasnt a Prophet.
Both of these points have been mentioned earlier which you consistently neglect to answer.
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No you said the difference is that haz Isa a.s. was appointed by Allah, while Imam Medhi is not. So how could a 'normal man' lead a Prophet?
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Can you define what is/what makes an "imam?"
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Imam's are guides for the Ummah of the Prophet appointed by Allah not by the community itself.
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That is because every Prophet is from the Ummah of the Prophet Muhammad (saw). Remember The Holy Prophet (saw) led the prayers on Miraaj? He(saw) is their leader.
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The prophet's hadith also mention that he will lead Hazrat Isa in prayers, that should be enough for us and induldging in these Why this and Why that is pointless.
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Not really. There should be a reason how an ordinary man coming out of nowhere leads a Prophet.
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Comparing Hazrat Isa with Imam Mahdi does not help add authencity to the shia claims about him... they only make it weaker. If it is so true, one shouldn't need to compare an *Imam *to a Prophet.
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I am not quite sure how that makes our claim weaker? In fact that makes our case even more stronger. Numerous hadiths mention that the Imam a.s. will a descendant of Fatima s.a. and that the Imam a.s. will lead the Prophet a.s. The Imam Medhi of shias is also a descendant of Fatima s.a.but the bone of contention remains about his whereabouts. But the fact remains that Imam Medhi is an integral part of both Madhabs. I now have a question. How is it possible for muslims not to believe in Imam and still remain within the circles of Islam when you have a Prophet a.s. praying behind that very Imam? And guess what...Imam Medhi is nowhere mentioned in the Holy Book. So it is incumbent on us to believe in Imams a.s. or at least ONE Imam not mentioned in the Holy Book?
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I agree. Theres no point confusing the discussion before these two questions are answered.
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I see a copy-paste coming from ShiaKaffir.com