Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
I guess if you want to look at it in that particular way, then yes there is not complete approval of the marriage since the (non-catholic) spouse cannot stand on the actual altar nor receive the "body of christ". In quite another light, the catholic church WILL perform the ceremoney and blessings of a "mixed marriage" with these particular rules followed, in keeping with the rules of the church. The blessings are the same ie., if a catholic married a catholic and sought a divorce, the intercession of the Pope is necessary to void the marriage. The very same procedure needs to be followed in the case of a catholic-muslim marriage seeking to divorce.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
The girls and me are wrong - As per your belief.
The thing which you fail to understand here is your double standards.
Earlier without thinking you just asked a guy to change his religion because it's wrong by our faith.
The situation is still the same but I pointed out who is wrong (as per our faith) in the situation ie the woman not the man.
Now your solution has changed 180 degrees to; You would not be asking her to change. Thats double standard. Thats picking and choosing what you like or not in religion.
To the poster as I said earlier if both of you are happy in your decision go ahead and do what you like. You guys have already made up your mind, why confuse yourself by these posts. May you have all the happiness the life has to offer.
If you change your religion please make sure that is based on the religion itself and not due to the fact that you want to marry this woman.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
I think people are giving their opinions.. and they're just opinions.. but as a Muslim [Alhamdulillah] I would like to add here.. religion's not something we can compromise on, and here i can see both of them are "weaker" in their religions as if they were strong they wouldn't have chosen eachother to be their life partners for sure.. [just another opinion]
anyways, with no hard feelings... May Allah (swt) guide us all to the righteous path. Aameen SumAameen.
Regards, Saby.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
When you are easily pointing your finger at Light Bearer and the Muslim Girl Friend - please don't forget there are three more fingers ponting back at you!
Don't think you or your loved ones will never be in such a similar situation.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Islam = Submission of your Nafs(Self)
Islam comes from the root word Istislam meaning surrender. It is not surrender to Nafs(self). Nafs is something to overpower with Higher Self. That is a jihad in itself. But Islam is not submission of your nafs as u put it. Islam is Surrender to The Mighty Power which is Allah.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Sudquest,
As you can see from many of the responses here, it can be done if you are both not particularly religious, but I doubt that you could find an imam who would perform a nikkah. Try searching the progressive muslim groups.
I was a Christian who converted to Islam before I met my husband, and I can tell you honestly that in general Pakistani people can be incredibly racist. We grew up in a society where most people are accepted, at least at a basic level, but there is nothing I can tell you that will help prepare you for the amount of racism and hatred that you will face from many pakistanis. I was a muslim before marriage and I still face it. There are people who are even cruel to my kids. It's a culture that spins around everyone being involved in the business of others.
I hope you have the support of your wife's parents, at least, because if you don't, they will make her life hell.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Sudquest,
I would say you better be taking a proper aalim's help rather to go with our suggestions.. i can see you're an educated person, MashaAllah and you and you wife-to-be can better decide after talking to a religious scholar.. [but stay away from the fake aalims, as it's a sensitive case...] and you can ask your girl to help you find a true islamic scholar.. then the two of you can talk to him about your situation and intentions [in detail].. and they would InshaAllah advise you the "best".
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
sudquest
dnt let all these negative points get u down
u both love each other and realtionships are built on love but however i am afraid that u must convert to islam b4 u marry her or she will be sinful all her life.......i dnt meen to sound harsh but this is my point of view i also recommend u going to a muslim scholar
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
As you can see from many of the responses here, it can be done if you are both not particularly religious, but I doubt that you could find an imam who would perform a nikkah. Try searching the progressive muslim groups.
I was a Christian who converted to Islam before I met my husband, and I can tell you honestly that in general Pakistani people can be incredibly racist. We grew up in a society where most people are accepted, at least at a basic level, but there is nothing I can tell you that will help prepare you for the amount of racism and hatred that you will face from many pakistanis. I was a muslim before marriage and I still face it. There are people who are even cruel to mykids. It's a culture that spins around everyone being involved in the business of others.
I hope you have the support of your wife's parents, at least, because if you don't, they will make her life hell.
Well said Amana...you have just described my life. Why do we face discrimination and worse against our children is beyond comprehension. As I have said in earlier post, they must have family/friends support to make a go of this.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
I don't get it, why is this guy feeling bad about posting this? Because the replies do not agree with his thoughts?
Sorry to say but as a Muslim, she can't marry a non-Muslim. Now it's either that or you 2 say "screw you" to your (especially her) faith and get married without imam or nikkah.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
I disagree with the people who say that if you love her, you would convert for her. Converting to a religion that you dont truly believe in would make anyone a hypocrite, which I think is far worse than anything else anyone has described. There is no compulsion in faith, you cannot force someone to believe in something that they don't... and it would be an injustice to all if you pretended to believe in a religion that you dont believe in.
As judgmental and critical as some of these posts may seem, I believe its valuable to hear a wide array of opinions on the issue. It seems as though you have made your decision (in which case, i wish you all the best). However, it is good to also see what kinds of criticism that your wife-to-be would be facing -- if nothing else, but to have a clearer idea of what you both are getting yourselves into.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
If you are in love, which I can tell that you are - I would advise not to follow what others say or religion as for a matter.
My brother faced the similar situation as you are expericing now - his then GF was Catholic but he never forced her to change the religion. She's still a Catholic and my bro is a Muslim. They've a little girl together and decided that once she reaches 18 - they will let her decide which religion to chose/follow.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
The contentious issue here is the Hudood Ordinance, which states the maximum punishments for adultery (stoning), false accusation of adultery (80 lashes of the whip), theft (cutting off the right hand), drinking alcohol (80 lashes) and apostasy (death). The ordinance was imposed on Pakistan in 1979 by the military ruler Muhammad Zia ul-Haq, under pressure from Islamic parties. It makes no distinction between rape and adultery; thus women who are raped often end up being whipped while the rapists are exonerated. Girls who have reached the age of puberty are treated as adults. Worse, women are not allowed to give evidence on their own behalf. Among the high-profile injustices was the case in 1983 of 15-year-old Jehan Mina, raped by an uncle and his son. She was sentenced to ten years in prison and 100 lashes, reduced to three years and 15 lashes in view of her age. In 1985, a blind maidservant, Safia Bibi, was sentenced to a similar punishment. In both cases, the girl's pregnancy was used as proof that the sex act had been committed but the men were acquitted on the benefit of the doubt. Several women have been sentenced to death by stoning, the most recent being Zafran Bibi in Kohat in 2002, although that sentence was quickly overturned on appeal.
Is this the stupid hudood ordinance we are talking about here? coz it's nothing but bull**** and crap!
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Someone linked me to this topic. I know it's a very old topic.
Honestly to the OP, id say leave everything to God.
I sometimes feel that whoever does good would end up in paradise regardless of which religion they follow, as we are all created by that one God.
For the rest, if you think ur in love with a non-Muslim and ur marrying them, then u'll go to hell because ur marriage is invalid. Which is true.... but a thought comes to my mind, what if the Muslim u marry today (whether u love that Muslim or not) what exactly is the guarantee that they won't leave their Islamic faith? As the years go by, more and more people are becoming less and less into their religions (doesn't matter which one). So this is why, leave it to the One above, if it's meant to be, it'll happen.
Actually im having a hard time finding a balanced Muslim, either they're too extreme or they're too westernized.
In the end, I believe that the world we currently live in, people still do have some sort of belief (even atheists) as when I talk to them, in they finally do agree that there is a sort of power out there that is keeping the universe together. Im gonna admit, I used to be a bit close-minded about other religions (im not saying im gonna believe in them or follow them) but there are many similarities in them. Now when I think about topic like these, I just feel that maybe God is testing us as to if we follow His Book or not? I mean, yeh in Quran it says that polytheists will go to hell. But if God can forgive a prostitute because she fed a hungry dog, then I know that He'll forgive anyone who asks for forgiveness. Im sure or I think if someone marries a non-Muslim, they probably would go to hell for that sin, but hopefully they won't remain in it forever. The thing about Islam is, a lot of things are hidden from the human mind. And a lot of questions are unanswered. Now if u think logically, would u say that God would put someone who is a very good person but is not a Muslim (nor has any hatred for this religion) into hell?
Yeh associating someone with God is a big big sin. But if ur a good person and believe in that one God, then I think there won't be any harn.
Okay so I have a friend who has a Muslim dad and a catholic mom and for 18 years my friend didn't practice any religion because what happen was that when his parents got married they agreed that they both will follow their own religion(both weren't religious at all). They had a court marriage because there's simply no way to have a nikkah between a Muslim and a non-Muslim period. After the wedding and after their kid(my friend) both of them started feeling uncomfortable with each other and this was only after 3 years of their marriage. None of them were super religious but something was just missing and that's what uncle(his dad) told me himself. They got divorced. My friend was raised by his mom and would see his dad once a week. He went to the church a couple times, never got connected to it. He also went to the masjid a couple times but no connection because just going won't do anything unless you understand the religion and when you have parents with different religions that's usually not possible so then he just stopped going at any of the Holy places.
When I became his friend last year and he told me all this I started helping him out. I took him to the masjid and he attended lectures and all that and now he's a good practicing Muslim.
The whole point of telling this was that before taking any step think about the future. If you're planning on having kids which was mentioned that you both love kids then it will definitely affect your kids no matter how hard you try because following two religions at the same time is not happening. Love is really important but there's way more in life then that.