Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Absolutely agree. EVERY other decision action etc is ALSO up to an individual but that individual is responsible for it on the day of judgment. Don't forget this.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Being a heathen does not make you a believer (opposite of kaafir). In order to be a believer, you have to give up all other religions and follow the acts ordered by Allah.
If you look in the Quran carefully, you will come across many verses which are directly opposing your religion:
Sura 2:116 - "They say: "God has begotten a son". Glory be to Him. No, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him."
Sura 9:30 - "The Christians say the Messiah is the Son of God, that is a saying from their mouths."
One cannot simply believe in both religions (if thats what you were trying to say), because clearly you can see where they conflict. Marriage with a non-Muslim is not permissible. If you don't give up your religion for Islam, you are not muslim. If she calls herself a Muslim, believes/respects Christianity, and marries you (a non-believer), then she is clearly discarding her religion.
I hope this help, and I'm sorry.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
I don't see the point of this thread, it's simple, a muslim woman cannot marry a non-muslim, that's islamic view point, nikkah is invalid even if you do it just for the sake of doing it, when you r trying to marry sum1 u cannot marry, so if religion doesn't matter to neither of you, there is nothing to discuss. I mean she will directly be going against something that is the Quran, it seems to me you two think religion matters, and hey u r not doing much wrong, but she is, and pretty sure she knows, and still persists with it, so just get married already, religion takes a backseat when it comes to worldly things. *rollseyes*So in the end, just get married already, n hey ur not sinning when it comes to your religion, so it is all good.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
For me after religion, parents are the most important people to get the blessing from in case of my marriage. It is a crucial factor to make the marriage happy. Every effort shuld be made to convince them with logic, rather then confrontation and arrogance.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Look bud, stop sulking.
What sort of a response did you expect man?
It’s quite simple really, Islam doesn’t allow Muslim women to marry Non-Muslim men, no matter what somebody feeling sorry for you says such a marriage will be invalid and hold no value under Islam, end of story.
Sorry but we don’t make the laws and we’re in no position to change them, we’re not the authority, Allaah is, the law has been revealed and certain things are written in stone. Christians and Jews changed the Gospel and the Torah to suit their whims or changing times or whatever, I’m afraid we can’t do that.
If following religion is important to your girlfriend (which I doubt it is as boyfriend-girlfriend relationships are forbidden) then she will only marry a Muslim, if not then I don’t see why she wants to have an Islamic marriage anyway, why not go ahead and have a court marriage or a church marriage if the Catholic church allows marriage to heathens?
You can’t claim to be sincere to religion and then negate some of it’s rules, sorry but you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Sorry for being so blunt mate, but what’s the point in beating around the bush like a hypocrite? Some religions will say one thing one time and have something else wrote in the scriptures they claim to profess like a bunch of hypocrites, we can't do that. Best advice I can give you is embrace Islaam and submit to Allaah (Yahovah) alone as a monotheist and become a true follower of Prophets ‘Eesa (Jesus) Ibn Mary, Musa (Moses), Abraham and Muhammed (peace be upon them) not only will you be able to marry your girl and have a strong sense of identity for yourself and your family but you’ll be saved from the fires of Hell.
Re: I’m a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
It is also a foregone conclusion that your Children will follow their Mothers religion, just like you yourself did.
***Are You ready for that?..
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Catholics do not allow divorce, Islam does, if she asks for one will you accept that.
***Just flip a coin … Heads …youve already lost. Tails you lost again…
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Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
What sort of a response did you expect man?
It’s quite simple really, Islam doesn’t allow Muslim women to marry Non-Muslim men, no matter what somebody feeling sorry for you says such a marriage will be invalid and hold no value under Islam, end of story.
Sorry but we don’t make the laws and we’re in no position to change them, we’re not the authority, Allaah is, the law has been revealed and certain things are written in stone. Christians and Jews changed the Gospel and the Torah to suit their whims or changing times or whatever, I’m afraid we can’t do that.
If following religion is important to your girlfriend (which I doubt it is as boyfriend-girlfriend relationships are forbidden) then she will only marry a Muslim, if not then I don’t see why she wants to have an Islamic marriage anyway, why not go ahead and have a court marriage or a church marriage if the Catholic church allows marriage to heathens?
You can’t claim to be sincere to religion and then negate some of it’s rules, sorry but you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
Sorry for being so blunt mate, but what’s the point in beating around the bush like a hypocrite? Some religions will say one thing one time and have something else wrote in the scriptures they claim to profess like a bunch of hypocrites, we can't do that. Best advice I can give you is embrace Islaam and submit to Allaah (Yahovah) alone as a monotheist and become a true follower of Prophets ‘Eesa (Jesus) Ibn Mary, Musa (Moses), Abraham and Muhammed (peace be upon them) not only will you be able to marry your girl and have a strong sense of identity for yourself and your family but you’ll be saved from the fires of Hell.
Quite an awesome inspiration for a non muslim to convert.... huh....isn’t it.
Easy to say buddy...... but conversion isnt that easy
i just dont understand ppl expect others to convert to islam by telling them how the'll burn in hell if they wouldn't convert.......Instead of telling them the rewards they get...but no i guess we muslims got big head......
A person should put their self in troubled person's shoe before showering his/her great advice.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
I hope both of you get all the hapiness the life has to offer.
But keep it in mind inter-faith marriages are full of complications. If both of you are ready to accept it fine. Also if you guys travel to muslim countries in future try not disclosing your religion to the people.
In Pakistan I know it for a fact you can be in legal trouble under Hudood ordinance.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
^^ but hudood ordinance only applies to paki people, if she has american citizen then it won't i guess....
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
^No both of them if they are living togather in Pakistan even if they are Americans can be found guilty of living without nikaah. As per hudood ordinance a muslim woman cannot marry a non muslim man so their nikah will be void.
Crazy but true I hope this HudHud ordinance is revoked sooner the better.
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I have to disagree with everyone who is telling u to convert. U cannot convert in order for u 2 allow to marry ur gf. U do not convert becasue of a woman. U convert because u believe in Islam and u submit urself to Allah(swt) and no-one else.
With specific regards to ur circumstances, it seems that religion does not play such a big part in ur lives. Therefore, u should get a court marriage if u truly love each other. But to raise children in inter-faith marriages will only confuse them to the extent that lose belief in both religions. Do u really want any possible children from this relationship to grow up as athiests? There are many questions and scenarios u both need to consider.
If u expect to be accepted as accepting both religions, then its not gone happen on GS!
On a sidenote read my signature!
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
good luck with it all, hopefully it will all turn out good.
forget what other people say love CAN last forever, but only you know whether it will!
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Zeher, are you saying that the love of a girl should prompt my conversion and not my love for God? You say that religion is a 'simple thing'? Are you saying the my religion is such a simple thing, or that yours is? Think before you type, and think before you press the 'post reply' button, for everyones sake, including yours.
you know wot i m sorry if u feel tht way but i m not trying to offend u. u know wot , wot ever happens isnt gonna be ur fault i think itz basically the girl who should think of what i said. if she loves u and can leave god for it then she might as well take tht same. i cant blame u for not understanding cuz ur not muslim no dont give up ur love for god itz like ur saying tht her religon is wrong cuz ur saying tht only ur god is the real god.
Re: I’m a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Astaghferullaah, you are calling the law of Allaah crazy?
You claim to be a Muslim?
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
This is another problem one faces when a muslim doesn't follow his/her religion, if she'd had followed it, she would not be in this predicament, just a lesson for all you, this goes for the guys as well.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
converting solely for the purpose of nikkah or for the girl is valid?
Re: I’m a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
Smurf,
HUDOOD oridinance is not the law of Allah, it’s more like law of Mallah. Go sudy it and then say something. I posted Hudood law some months back, find it to learn more about it.
It’s clear cut against non muslims and women. Why ruin this thread.
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
After reading the responses here, I realized that there is a pretty big cultural gap here. People raised in the west are from such varied backgrounds and cultures that it becomes almost second nature to accept and learn about other views, religions, cultural practices. When you live in a society that is FAIRLY uniform with a FAIRLY uniform religion, it becomes more difficult to accept different people, customs, cultures and religions.
The person who started this thread follows his own religion in his own way and so does his wife-to-be. They would like the blessing of each of their own religions IF POSSIBLE without breaking rules or doing something that is not allowed. That is so understandable to a westerner but almost incomprehensible to an Asian Muslim I think.
In the Catholic religion (and I think all Christian religions), people of different faiths can marry and receive the blessing of the church but the non-christian is not allowed to marry on the actual Altar and cannot receive the "body of christ". But the marriage is nevertheless blessed by the church. I THINK but am not sure, that Islaam will allow this too at least in some places.
I've often had the thought that there are lovely people who care for others, donate to charities and live a GOOD life yet do not completely adhere to rules and regulations of a specific religion. Then there are "strict adherents" to a religion who are just awful people (ie., "Spanish Inquisition", "Honor Killings") So who do YOU think will go to heaven?
Re: I'm a catholic guy and in love with a muslim girl
^^ Honor killing is not at all a religious thing atleast not an Islamic thing, people who do such stuff are obviously not following Islam.
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Mamouf3, I agree with you. I think that fact that I am from a western society and educated background makes it much easier for me to be accepting of others than those confined to a single homogeneous culture. The girl I want to marry was born and raised in Pakistan and from an affluent and somewhat westernized social circle. I think that our social upbringing (family, friends) and educational backgrounds are what has made our relationship possible, aside from our obvious love for each other.
Of those who are against my marriage, I have heard and read very few comments that weren't fueled by racism, ignorance, a missunderstanding of their own religion, or a seclusionist mentality. The only intelligent comments I have heard have been regarding the laws of islam and and general concerns for my future children and differnces my wife and I might expect to encounter.
I will close my ears to naysayers and feel pitty for their lack of capacity for intelligent reasoning, you embarrass yourself. To those who have come from a place of understanding and have given sound advice, whether it be to go forward with my marraige plans or to stop and reconsider, I thank you.