Pakistan should heed Imran Khan’s advice and vote for him in the election, if it wants to deal with the menace of terrorism in any meaningful manner; rather than listen to other politicians and self-proclaimed pundits who have no real stake in the welfare of Pakistan.
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We welcome you to the "Taliban" club Ts.
Imran doesn't believe in resolving the issue using military operation so he is Taliban Khan and his supporters are Taliban synpathisers.
In few years time if Imran's strategy is somehow successful, you will see that people critising him will take all the credit. Most others are keeping quiet these days and Imran is getting ALL the criticism but no one will give him any credit.
You will find my old posts on Gupshup where i have suported War On Terror and strongest words against Talibans because i was so emotional after hearing about bomb blasts every day. I have realized over the years that we CANNOT resolve this issue by being emotional. Although I still have same views about Talibans but we surely need a different strategy to eliminate them and people are starting to agree that only Imran has that strategy rather than issuing statements like "I condemn Talibans". You have to win as many people as you like and attack the ones who want to enforce their version of Islam.
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Haven't we done "peace deals" with these people before and then what happened? Does Buner in 2009 come to mind?
I agree that no military operation should be the final solution, but it is a law and order issue and police and a retrained FC should do a COIN operation as Pakistan army sucks at them. But no taliban khan's mentality that "oh jee sawat aaperation was ok but tribal areas is not ok since they are different". Jinnah gets blamed too that jinnah would never do an operation when he removed troops from FATA in 1947 (a relic of british era) but what about the a$$ kicking the afridis got for formenting pashtunistan BS in 1947-8 where PAF was involved as well? One unfortunate consequence was that the nascent PAF couldn't focus fully in kashmir, but that squadron operation out of peshawar was highly acclaimed and one of the last to convert to jets.
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Any operation by an army against its own citizens never has a positive result.
Swat operation....Baluchistan operation......numerous Karachi operations.....East Pakistan operation.......Overseas, we have Syria. None of them have been successful in the long run.
Its not as if Taliban are sitting cozily in their headquarters, and they can be bombed easily. This is a rag tag organization that has spread its roots all over the country, and bombs will not eliminate it. A change of mindset will. There is no singular leader you can take out that will make a difference. Osama is long gone, but that hasnt stopped what Alqaeda and Taliban are doing.
Re: IK says military operation should be a small component of a larger political proc
Any operation by an army against its own citizens never has a positive result. Swat operation....Baluchistan operation......numerous Karachi operations.....East Pakistan operation.......Overseas, we have Syria. None of them have been successful in the long run. Its not as if Taliban are sitting cozily in their headquarters, and they can be bombed easily. This is a rag tag organization that has spread its roots all over the country, and bombs will not eliminate it. A change of mindset will. There is no singular leader you can take out that will make a difference. Osama is long gone, but that hasnt stopped what Alqaeda and Taliban are doing.
Stop calling them our own citizens.. these criminals want to take over our society.. destroy all the schools.. impose their mentality on us. It's totally imperative to disown them.. condemn them.. isolate them.. and destroy their militant capacity. Otherwise be prepared to be attacked by them just like Malala..
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IK hit nail on the head when he said that if you oppose military operations, then you are pro taliban. It is no secret that Taliban are a group of many small entities and it is important to divide them using tribal leaders. And this is what Khan has been saying all along. Trust tribal leaders and authorize them to isolate these elements and then use military option for them.
why is it so unacceptable? We have been fighting with these screwed up elements for like 8 years now and where are we in terms of success? Its time to change the strategy.
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Stop calling them our own citizens.. these criminals want to take over our society.. destroy all the schools.. impose their mentality on us. It's totally imperative to disown them.. condemn them.. isolate them.. and destroy their militant capacity. Otherwise be prepared to be attacked by them just like Malala..
The people who live in Waziristan are citizens of Pakistan. Terrorists live amongst them. Any widespread army action in Waziristan is an action against everyone living there. Bombs and missiles do not differentiate between friend and foe. The action in Swat resulted in a lot of civilian deaths as well, and many Malalas were killed then as well. Think back to any internal military operation, and you will find more civilians dead than terrorists.
Funny part is, no political party wants such an operation in Karachi, where more people are dying everyday than elsewhere combined.
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One thing has become clearer during the past few days, that IK still needs to do a lot of work on chalking out his plan to tackle the taleban and what kind of foreign policy he will adopt (especially relations with the neighboring countries). I do agree that operations alone wont solve the issue. It would have to include the main tribes (to help isolate them). The higher command of TTP needs to be captured and punished, and their sources of funds and recruitment cut off, only then we can get rid of this problem in the long run.
I agree with Yazdi that although drones and operations do provide some recruits to the terrorists, but we should stop giving the militants any benefit of doubt. If some drone attack happens, that doesn't give any one the right to go and conduct a suicide attack in the country. One interesting thing to note from this is that drone strikes are being carried out against Alqaeda and Afghan taleban, where as the people using it as a justification are Pakistani taleban (who are being spared).
Re: IK says military operation should be a small component of a larger political proc
The people who live in Waziristan are citizens of Pakistan. Terrorists live amongst them. Any widespread army action in Waziristan is an action against everyone living there. Bombs and missiles do not differentiate between friend and foe. The action in Swat resulted in a lot of civilian deaths as well, and many Malalas were killed then as well. Think back to any internal military operation, and you will find more civilians dead than terrorists.
Funny part is, no political party wants such an operation in Karachi, where more people are dying everyday than elsewhere combined.
Leave the military strategy to the army as both of us are not competent to comment on that.. On our part..
1) Stop calling them our own people.
2) Stop justifying their actions.
3) Clearly condemn them as criminals without ifs and buts.
We need to to be united as a nation against these barbarians. We should not tolerate anyone speaking or justifying these killers on what-so-ever grounds.. drones or no drones.. these murderers should not have any sympathizers amongst us..
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Leave the military strategy to the army as both of us are not competent to comment on that.. On our part..
1) Stop calling them our own people.
2) Stop justifying their actions.
3) Clearly condemn them as criminals without ifs and buts. .
1) The terrorists are not our own people, but the people living in Waziristan are.
2) Noone has justified their actions. Their actions are vile, and they deserve a fitting response. It is not the nature of terrorists that we disagree on. We disagree on how to counter them.
3) Condemnation is worth the rag it is printed on, and if that is the only benchmark for weighing one's sincerity to the country, then Rehman Malik and Zardari are 2 of the most sincere people in Pakistan. The public is tired of condemnation messages. About high time some concrete steps were taken by the government.
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I TOTALLY agree to what IK said but saying is one thing and doing is another. I HIGHLY doubt that even IK will do it (or would be able to do this) if by any miracle he gets into power. His record of staying on course on what he has said in past is not that good either.
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Funny part is, no political party wants such an operation in Karachi, where more people are dying everyday than elsewhere combined.
Liyari has become a mini-Waziristan and it shows the strength of the state. Our interior minister said operation will resume in 48 hours. Six months on and those 48 hours are yet to tick by.
Negotations have failed. Peace deals have failed. Military operations have failed. What next?
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IK hit nail on the head when he said that if you oppose military operations, then you are pro taliban. It is no secret that Taliban are a group of many small entities and it is important to divide them using tribal leaders. And this is what Khan has been saying all along. Trust tribal leaders and authorize them to isolate these elements and then use military option for them.
why is it so unacceptable? We have been fighting with these screwed up elements for like 8 years now and where are we in terms of success? Its time to change the strategy.
Western media lovers want to see "action", an action which you can see from videos, twitter it, facebook it. They want 'shock and awe' campaign run in Pakistan, they want to see it carpet bombed.... it is so simple yet you guys don't get it.
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I support total all out war with FATA terrorists. Those miscreants from the western portion of our country shouldn't know what hit them. Worse comes to worse turn FATA into a ghetto. Block it off from the rest of the country. At the end of the day we rather lose 10% of a country to let this disease take heed in the remaining 90%. If you have a bad leg, it's best to get it amputated or it will take your life. Simples.
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^ phir TTP-Pubjab ke saath bhi yahi karayn gai?
Re: IK says military operation should be a small component of a larger political proc
^ phir TTP-Pubjab ke saath bhi yahi karayn gai?
When I say block it off I mean militarily. To block the majority from entering into Punjab and Sindth which are important economic hubs.
Israeli example is probably best. How they have separated Palestinian territory from rest of Israel/
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When I say block it off I mean militarily. To block the majority from entering into Punjab and Sindth which are important economic hubs.
Israeli example is probably best. How they have separated Palestinian territory from rest of Israel/
okay so they can cause havoc in KPK and Baluchistan?
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okay so they can cause havoc in KPK and Baluchistan?
No. If you read what I wrote earlier. I said FATA. Which is about 10% of the country and the most economic inhospitable places to do business.
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Western media lovers want to see "action", an action which you can see from videos, twitter it, facebook it. They want 'shock and awe' campaign run in Pakistan, they want to see it carpet bombed.... it is so simple yet you guys don't get it.
I support total all out war with FATA terrorists. Those miscreants from the western portion of our country shouldn't know what hit them. Worse comes to worse turn FATA into a ghetto. Block it off from the rest of the country. At the end of the day we rather lose 10% of a country to let this disease take heed in the remaining 90%. If you have a bad leg, it's best to get it amputated or it will take your life. Simples.
Just in time CEO1.
It is apparent that people living in a remote area of a remote country do not qualify as human beings. There were times when people from FATA were more Pakistani than rest of the lot.
Unfortunately, if while you can throw away the amputated part of the leg, you cannot do that with a piece of land or millions of people living next door. And while ghettos in the US produce small time criminals, the ghettos of FATA produce blood-thirsty mindless animals.
While the mindless animals from USA would leave soon, we'll be stuck dealing with the local animals who would breed well after such an offensive.
I never knew that people unfortunate enough to be born in economically inhospitable places have no right to life.
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Just in time CEO1.
It is apparent that people living in a remote area of a remote country do not qualify as human beings. There were times when people from FATA were more Pakistani than rest of the lot.
Unfortunately, if while you can throw away the amputated part of the leg, you cannot do that with a piece of land or millions of people living next door. And while ghettos in the US produce small time criminals, the ghettos of FATA produce blood-thirsty mindless animals.
While the mindless animals from USA would leave soon, we'll be stuck dealing with the local animals who would breed well after such an offensive.
I never knew that people unfortunate enough to be born in economically inhospitable places have no right to life.
Emotional post unfortunately not practical. Thanks for your reply.