Ijma e Ummat

Jama ul Quran ko lijiye…Itna bara wakaya lekin isko sirf ek Sahabi rawayat kerta hai, wo bhi sirf ek hi shakhs se jo unn sahabi ki wafaat ke baad paida hua, wo bhi sirf ek hi shakhs ibne shahab zahri se bayaan kerta hai…yani 200 saal tak ye wakaya sirf 3 logon ko maloom tha, kya yahi hota hai ijmaa e ummat Jab iss baat par Khulafa e Raashideen ke zamanay mein koi ijmaa nahin tha balkeh kisi shakhs ko iss wakaya ki khabar tak na thi, 200 saal tak ye raaz seena ba seena ek ek aadmi se aagay chalta raha, kya issi ko ijmaa kehtay hain Haan zahri ne likh diya aur baad ke logon ne uss zahri ki rawayat ko maan liya to isko ijmaa e ummat ka naam de diya…ye kaisa aur kis baat par ijmaa hai ke iss wakaya ki origin ke loag isko bayaan hi nahin kertay, 200 saal baad zahri sahib pe inkeshaaf hota hai aur wo ye raaz kholtay hain…

Agar ijmaa e ummat issi ka naam hai ke jo wakaya mashoor hai wo laazman sahi hai to janab e mann ne shaaid Shiblee Naumani ki “Seerat Un Nabi” nahin parhi…kitnay hi mashoor wakayaat jin par ummat ka ijma hai unko shiblee naumani aur Syed Suleman nadvi ne challenge kya hai balkeh ghalat sabit kya hai…

Maslan Hijrat e Madina ke waqt ghaar e Saur mein hazrat Abu Bakr(RA) aur hazrat Muhammad(PBUH) ne 3 raatein guzari , iss par aik wakaya hai jisko saari ummat e musalma maanti hai ke jab kuffaar wahan aaye to aik makri ne wahan jaala buna hua tha , “Seerat un nabi” mein isko ghalat kaha gaya hai …
Iss par bhi ummat ka ijma hai ke hazrat hamza(RA) ko hinda ne shaheed kerwaya lekin sahi bukhari mein iska inkaar majood hai, kisko maanein Imam bukhari ki baat ko ke ijmaa e ummat ko??
Hijrat e madina ke baaray mein saaray tareekh daan hi nahin saara aalam e islam muttafiq hai ke raat ko hui aur hazrat Ali(RA) ko Hazoor(PBUH) ne apnay bistar pe sulaya, lekin Sahi Bukhari kehti hai ke ye ghalat hai…Ijma e Ummat ko maana jaaye ke imam bukhari ko

Ijma e ummat ka naam hamesha unhi logon ne liya hai jo tehqeeq ke aagay baybas ho gaye aur unse jawab nahin bun paaya warna agar ijmaaye ummat sahee baat par hai to uskay to beshumaar naqabil e tardeed dalaail honay chaahiye na ke kisi ki tanqeed se ghabra ke ijmaa e ummat ka alam buland kiya jaaye…Tareekh gawah hai ke ijma e ummat ka naara hamesha usne lagaya hai jis par apnay mauqaf ki ghalati wazeh ho gayi ho…

Shah Abdul Azeez aur Ibne Taimaiyya ne waqaya e Karbala ki bouhat si baaton ka inkaar kya hai yani aisi baaton ka jo ijmaa e ummat thi…kya kahain gay unko ke wo nayee cheez pesh kerne ke shauq mein ye sab kar gaye

Jahan aapne samajh liya ke tehqeeq aur aql ka darwaza bund ker do wahan se andhi taqleed ka aghaaz hota hai…

Phir imam mehdi ke aqeeday ko aap kehtay hain ke ye ijmaa e ummat hai…
phir aap ye bhi maantay hain ke ye sirf rawayaat se sabit hai Quran se iska koi saboot nahin, ab in rawayaat ko dekhiye, Imam Malik ko koi rawayat nahin milti yani unka imam mehdi ki aamad ka aqeeda nahin tha kyunke ye aqeeda to rawayaat se sabit hota hai aur unke paas yakeenan isko koi hadith na thi, imam bukhari bhi mehdi ka naam tak nahin letay, imam muslim bhi…
Hairat hai ke jo cheez ijmaaye ummat thi itna aham islami aqeeda tha uski imam malik waghera ko khabar tak na thi
Phir jitni ahadith hain wo sab ki sab koofa mein bani aur unkay raavi koofi hai…Isko aap ijmaaye koofi keh saktay hain ijmaaye ummat nahin, warna madni raviyun ki koi hadith bata dijiye jo mehdi ke baaray mein ho…Agar baad waalon ne koofa waalon ki rawayaat par aitbaar kar liya to ye ijma e ummat nahin ban jaaye ga…Kisi ghalat cheez par muttafiq ho jana ghalat ko sahi nahin bana deta…Eesaal e sawab par bhi to ijma hai lekin ye aqeeda Qurani ayaat ke khilaaf hai…ilmi behas mein ijma e ummat ki daleel zero se ziada nahin hoti…kesa ijma e ummat hai ke koi zara si tanqeed ker de to kisi se uska jawab nahin banta sivaye ijma e ummat ki ratt ke ??

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aap ko pervaiz saahib kee taqaareer translate karnaY maiN dushwaari hoti hai kaY minn-o-ann chaap detaY ho yahaan pe?

woh bhee bagher kissi reference kay :)

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Bhai yahaan pervaiz sahaab kahaan se agayee woh tu is per bari ahtiyaat karty thai in k kisi book main bhi app yea nahi payeen gaye app ko bari ghalaat fahmi hai in k kisi tahreer main app bahaas nahi payeen gaye yea mainne jo ijma e ummaat ka nara abhi soona tu is per post kar de is ka pervaiz sahaab se kia talooq hai wase bhi i m not pervaizi mainne in ko read kia hai aur in ko bhi main agar haq k khilaaf pata hoo tu bila jahjaak post kar daita hoo mera awaz sirf quran hai khalis quran mainne in ko kuch books per bhi tanqeed ke hai kion ke mere ankh per koi aqeeday ke pati nahi hai.Agar khalis quran k agay pervaiz sir syed iqbal Tamana emadi Aslam jairpuri Ghamdi ISlahi Farhai sahab yea koi bhi allama sahab aty hai main in ko bhi tanqeed ka nishana baana daita hoo.Shayaad app ko pata nahi yea sab bhi tahqeeq k bawajood riwayaat parsati ka shikar hoo gaye.

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^
tau aap kam az kam phir unn saY sabaq hee seekhiye...
agar woh itnaa achaa kaam kar rahai thaY tau aap kiouN naheeN kartaY ho??

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Beta app topic per baat karoo mere liye pervaiz sahaab k koi hasiyaat nahi sirf ek aaam talib e elim tak main in ko maanta hoo jin hoonay mafoom ul quran pasih kia app ijmay umaat per baat karoo daikhoo phir main kaisay app k imamoo aur khud sakhta paighambaroo ko tahli se bahar lata hoo.mujhe app se yea hi umeed thi k app topic ko kahin aur moorain gaye kion k haq batil ka saar toor kar rakh daita hai.abb bhagoo nahi aur oper sawalooo ka jawab do ooh ooh sorry bhai maaf karna paoo larza rahi hon gaye khoof araha hoo ga sachiye ka samna karty hoye

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:hehe: yaar post this in joke forum :slight_smile:

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This forum is filled with Munkar e Hadees/Pervezis. :o

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Although I can read urdu perfectly fine (especially if its in urdu), but reading such long roman urdu articles is a pain in the rear. So whats this one about? Can someone provide a summary in english (4 sentences or less)? Thanks.

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nothing, imranjaff thinks that what he read in his "children's Islamic stories" book was ijmaa-e-umma and books of scholars in whom all muslims believe(ofcourse munkar-e-hadeeth r not muslims so they dont count) r wrong....

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Dont blame me give me solid answers why our ullema call its ijma e ummat dual policy its call munifqaat.see the difference there can we follow islam in this light my dear dont call me kafir warna yahaan bhi ana choor do gaye main aqaal shoor istamaal kar k imaan laya hoo quran per poora mukham imaan hai main munkir e quran nahi hoo aur imaaan bhi quran main mukamaal hai

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^ ok, so u say that the spider story in the event of hijrat is ijma-e-ummat, so bring forward atleast 10 scholars (and dont bring schoalrs who no on has ever heard of) who think that this story is authentic.....

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Imran! translate in english. I cannot read whatever you have written here. What's the debate gentlemen?