Ijaz-ul-Haq betrays Musharraf, reveals army role in Shaukat Aziz's appointment

[Amour]

Re: Ijaz-ul-Haq betrays Musharraf, reveals army role in Shaukat Aziz's appointment

we will all realise soon, that last 6 years wasnt bad but actually good governed by whoever even if they are lotay or mushy lot or shortcuts - they were still hundred time better current dubai lot!

if those low life, low calibre done so well with shortcuts and increase reserve, stable and growing economy, whats wrong with these bunch of smart looters they cant even beat the likes of pervais elahi and shujaat hussain, sure they must have looted too, but country was in much better shape if compared with current clueless dubai group.

[Spock]

@Sa1eem

Well, maybe one can ignore things that is difficult to understand by those who are ignorant of economical figures, but what would you do with things that even an idiot could see? For instance, we may ignore unprecedented growth of Pakistan per capita income, GDP, etc … or ignore 8 years of relatively low inflation period and unprecedented decrease in debt to GDP ratio of Pakistan, but what about things that are obvious? For instance:

8 years of stable rupee moving around Rs60 to a dollar.
8 years of continuous increase in dollar reserves from less than $1 billion (1999) to $16.5 billion
8 years of continuous decrease in Pakistan interest rate, from over 18 percent (1999) to less than 5 percent.
8 years of continuous increase in Pakistan federal tax collection that increased over 3 times from Rs 300 billion (1999) to over Rs 900 billion.
8 years of continuous increase in export (that was stagnant before) but increased from $7.6 billion dollars in 1999 to over $19 billion dollars.
8 years of stock market rise that increased from below 1200 (1999) to 15500 (considered as best Stock Market performance in the world before downfall started on 21st April 2008 after choors took over the country)
8 years of unprecedented increase in Karachi Stock market capitalisation, increased from Rs 350 billion (1999) to around Rs 4800 billion.
8 years of unprecedented increase in Pakistan minimum wages, from less than $25 a month or around Rs 1200 in 1999, to $80 a month or Rs 4800 in 2007 (an increase of around 3 times in 8 years).

and so … on and on and on … are all these also imaginary?

Brother, this forum do not consists of ONLY political ignorants like Jiyala who would believe anything what Zardari and his party members would say or Ganjaylas who are new Jiyalas of Nawaz and would believe anything whatever BS Nawaz and his party would gas-out. Some people on this forum could also think, so be careful before putting jokes as reality .

oh yeah, and what about the ppl of Pakistan who were the victims of the unprecedented mahangai over the last 8 years? Your numbers mean nothing saleem, no one even reads them after your famous pml[q] seat prediction. Its about time, mush supporters should stop being a mqm jiyalas for once (since you refer to me as a zardari or pml[n] jiyala), and admit it, the last 8 years werent as rosy as you try to make it. This is the reason why your seat prediction didn’t turn out to be even 1/6th correct Btw, you should post more often, you hardly do

[Spock]

i dont think statements from this so called "politician" is worthy any discussion on GS! atleast on this one I agree on PPP statement "Zia ke Baqiyat" he has only in politics only because he is son of a one of the wrost dictator in the history of Pakistan!! wonder why any sane party would accept him as politician

Oh yeah, they were only worthy when he was hand picked by Musharraf/Shujaat as an esteemed minister! Also correction, he was the son of the 2nd worst dictator Pakistan has seen.

[sherdil123]

@Saleem

considered as best Stock Market performance in the world before downfall started on 21st April 2008 after choors took over the country

You mean MQM, the biggest chor, murderers, rapists and batta khors who took over Sindh for the last 9 years.

[ehtasab]

@Sa1eem

$25 a month or around Rs 1200 in 1999, to $80 a month or Rs 4800 in 2007 (an increase of around 3 times in 8 years).

Not that it would matter but minimum wage in 1999 was around Rs2000

Minimum wage law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even in 1992 the wage was Rs 1500.

[Sa1eem]

@ehtasab

Not that it would matter but minimum wage in 1999 was around Rs2000

Minimum wage law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Even in 1992 the wage was Rs 1500.

Brother you are right that it does not matter as most Pakistanis do not care what poor are going through. They care about their known corrupts getting to power so that they can have a piece of cake. Anyhow, Wikipedia is nothing but propaganda site where anyone can write what they like and when we have so many liars in Pakistani politics, nothing is unexpected. Wikipedia does not even writes that minimum wage in 2007 was raised to Rs4600, so that to give impression that minimum wage was increased to Rs6000 from Rs 4000 after 2 years (even though Rs 6000 minimum wage is possible because Pakistan economy with growth of around 6 percent has done reasonably well during 2007-2008 … a legacy of past government)

Anyhow, to my knowledge, minimum wage in 1999 was around $25 a month. As for reference, I have one that tells of minimum wage in 2002 and at that time it was $30 a month. Here is the reference (you can get reasonable information of most countries from this site):

Encyclopedia of the Nations - Information about countries of the world, United Nations, and World Leaders

Click on Asia and Oceania (on right hand side), then click on Pakistan and then click on Labor. You will get minimum wage in 2002 (that was $30 and what I know, minimum wage in 2002 was much higher than 1999). Here it is:

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/Asia-and-Oceania/Pakistan-LABOR.html

… … …The minimum wage for unskilled workers was $30 per month in 2002. There is a maximum workweek of 48 hours, but most employees are unaware of these work restrictions.

[Spock]

Re: Ijaz-ul-Haq betrays Musharraf, reveals army role in Shaukat Aziz’s appointment

^ Wikipedia is on NS payroll too! Off with their heads!

Saleem, do you honestly think if the min. wage, which by the way is an artificial ‘shortcut’ term in Pakistan no one cares about, is $25 or $75? Go tell this to a polciya on the street, who will look for other means to make ends meet, i.e. rishwat.

[Spock]

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[ehtasab]

@Sa1eem

Brother you are right that it does not matter as most Pakistanis do not care what poor are going through. They care about their known corrupts getting to power so that they can have a piece of cake.

Weren’t you the one who said during flour crisis in Pakistan in Mush’s strong-arm-show-days why Pakistani people can’t pay international prices. Anyhow please follow the link below which shows Rs 1500 in 1993, is Dawn credible?

Unskilled workers to get Rs2,500 pay -DAWN - Top Stories; October 4, 2001

[Sa1eem]

@ehtasab

Weren’t you the one who said during flour crisis in Pakistan in Mush’s strong-arm-show-days why Pakistani people can’t pay international prices. Anyhow please follow the link below which shows Rs 1500 in 1993, is Dawn credible?

Unskilled workers to get Rs2,500 pay -DAWN - Top Stories; October 4, 2001

Brother, I do not think that I ever wrote that ‘why Pakistanis can’t pay international prices’. I may have written that Atta prices in Pakistan has gone up because international prices has gone up and for Pakistan to develop, Pakistani and international prices have to converge (obviously, along with wages).

Anyhow, thank you for the reference on minimum wages. Actually, I was looking for such reference since long time

As far as my statement regarding minimum wages is concerned, I have to correct it a bit after taking your reference into account. Instead of writing what I wrote that, Pakistan minimum wages increased from less than $25 (1999) to $80 (2007), I should have written that minimum wages increased from around $27 (1999) to $80 (2007).

Your reference did cleared a lot for me and I learned that minimum wages was fixed Rs 1500 in 1993 (BB government) and after that it did not increased until 2001 (Musharraf government) when it was increased to Rs 2500. Big difference is that minimum wages after 2001 increased every year (that I know) and today it is Rs 6000.

As for mahgayee allowance, what I know, that payment is only applicable to people working in government but employees in even regulated private sectors could not get it. Hence, minimum wage in country stayed what law says, that was Rs 1500 from 1993 to 2001, when it increased to Rs 2500.

As for wikipedia, anyone can write there including you and me, so information is worthless unless it is backed by proper reference, and writer of minimum wages in Pakistan on wikipedia did not give any reference to back the claim. Anyhow, if mehgayee allowance is taken into account, still it seems that lowest wages for government employee was Rs 1950 (around $35) in 1999 compared to $80 in 2007.

[ehtasab]

@Sa1eem

Anyhow, thank you for the reference on minimum wages. Actually, I was looking for such reference since long time

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@Sa1eem

As for wikipedia, anyone can write there including you and me, so information is worthless unless it is backed by proper reference, and writer of minimum wages in Pakistan on wikipedia did not give any reference to back the claim. Anyhow, if mehgayee allowance is taken into account, still it seems that lowest wages for government employee was Rs 1950 (around $35) in 1999 compared to $80 in 2007.

It is true that anyone can write in Wikipedia but if an article is not backed by solid reference then Wiki places question marks where an information is provided without a reference, in this particular article though a link was provided but I found that the link was broken one so I searched for reference in Dawn.