Ignorant Idiot in mah class!

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Well I was just watching a talkshow on ARY this morning where they were discussing the same problem. They invited Bilqees Edhi as well to talk about the cradles outside Edhi centers and who are the people who usually leave their or someone else’s children and through what reasons do they justify their action? As she mentioned, it was mostly illegal childs that were being put there just so the real parents can save their face in their respective societies. There was a 3% population according to her statistics who left their children due to financial problems and stuff. Leaving girls in the cradles was out of question as this isn’t prevalent at all in our society, not at least in Pakistan.

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ahan....i checked amnesty international which is a pretty accurate site....they sedd that hundreds of women and girls are killed for honor...but i dont see any baby girls being killed..

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Yar call bilqis (021 5485566) and ask her "Why were the cradles put there in the first place" and secondly if leaving girls in the cradles is out of the question , where do they leave them? in Macdonalds?

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ok im not talking about that!! godddd

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This does not happen in Pakistan...Never has and never will...

It was indeed an ignorant remark...

As for the Edhi thing, those kids are not just girls but boys as well...

Usually these kids are a result of an illicit tryst and since abortion is messy, they just dump their kids in the paalki...

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^ i agree with Lajjo. I have browsed the internet and haven't found any report or study that highlights female infanticide as a major problem in Pakistan.

India and China are different stories. There is a plethora of articles and statistics on foeticide/infanticide in india and china.

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word up......i totaly....understand.....what... you are.... saying... know what i... mean?

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gr8 i agree too...arguement settled!

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The logic makes sense because if you look at UNICEF, HRCP WAW reports, you will see that it is not a major problem is pakistan. I never said it wasnt a problem at all -- just not a major one.

We are discussing the issue of female infanticide, and it is a major problem in India and China.

Now if you are talking about acid-throwing, wife abuse, then it's a different thing altogether. Stick to the topic, or cite a credible link that shows the infanticide problem is as dire in pakistan as it is in India.

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Well here's the easy and short way of doing things. If you feel that female infanticide is a big issue in Pakistan, then put up the stats. And then we can compare against stats of other countries and see where Pakistan lies on the spectrum.

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i never sedd its a problem in pakistan...i just asked if it is or not...i wish ppl posted more resources...like wat "man with a plan" did....

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Female infanticide

Female infanticide, the prevalent form of sex-selective infanticide is the systematic killing of girls at or soon after birth. It normally occurs when a society values male children to the point that producing a female is considered dishonorable or shameful. Female infanticide was most common in urban China during the Qing Dynasty, due to overpopulation, and the second half of the twentieth century, due to the One Child Policy that created stiff financial penalities for parents who had multiple children.

Female infanticide was an accepted practice among the Arabs before Islam. Later in ayat 8,9 of Sura At-Takwir female infanticide was prohibited:

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“And when the female (infant) buried alive (as the pagan Arabs used to do) shall be questioned: (8) For what sin she was killed? (9)” However, sex selective abortion or abandonment were (and still are) more common methods of disposing of unwanted girls.

The opposite is male infanticide.

Female infanticide

Honor Killings

Human Rights Watch defines “honor killings” as follows:

Honor crimes are acts of violence, usually murder, committed by male family members against female family members who are perceived to have brought dishonor upon the family. A woman can be targeted by her family for a variety of reasons including, refusing to enter into an arranged marriage, being the victim of a sexual assault, seeking a divorce—even from an abusive husband—or committing adultery. The mere perception that a woman has acted in a manner to bring "dishonor" to the family is sufficient to trigger an attack. [1] 

As of 2004, honor killings have occurred in numerous countries, including: Bangladesh, Brazil, Ecuador, Egypt, Germany (among Muslim immigrants), India, Iran, Iraq, Italy[3], Jordan, Morocco, Pakistan, Palestine, Sweden (among Muslim immigrants), Turkey, Uganda and the United Kingdom (among Muslim immigrants). In Europe, honor killings have been reported within the Muslim and Sikh communities. Many cases of honor killing have been reported in Pakistan, where it is known as KaroKari; it is also reported among Sikhs in the adjacent Indian Punjab[4].

Honor Killings

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I must admit even rural Pakis prefer boys (to rely on in old age and to carry the family name) but I have never heard of Pakis killing off their daughters or admitting to preferring a boy after the girls has been born...

I'll criticise Pakistan when it asks for it but on this matter no.. That kid in your class is just trying to be a smartarse nad earning browny points from the Goray by criticisng her own land..

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:smiley:

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this does not happen in pakistan
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illiterate husbands may beat their wives… but illiterate parents do not bury their daughters.
moreover some of the guys may/… women but parents do not kill their siblings.

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It DOES happen alhough thankfully not to the extent as India China etc..

however Girls can be neglected in favour of brothers OR just left in the hospital after birth in some areas

especially if the family has what they deem to be enough girls

Khushi..you appear to be just reading and acceping the posts that are of your viewpoint.

Just because you are Pakistani or of Pak origin it doesnt mean you vehemently deny anything that is seems unsavoury to you..

all countries have bad points just as they have good points

and it doesnt mean that it gives a bad impression to people about you

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Interesting read..
being from a village in central punjab I know these things never happened around that place..
NEVER EVEN heard abt that.

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lazy did u see it with ure own eyes. or ever heard it in your own family, friends or around...

give me 1 example lady....( waisay bhi aurat ki gawahi aadhi hoti hai)

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oh godd:mad:!!! why are you saying that!? im not readin and accepting…i have done lots of research like at amnesty international and a few others through search engines…looook i dont deny everythin negative said bout pak.just because i denied one thing according to my knowledge…that doesnt mean i do that about everything…its not like im takin my countries ‘side’ or something…im juss takin the side of what i kno as a fact is right…i dont care what country it is…