Saby, Thanks for your reply. Yes this is a slippery slope isn't it? Hard to give one answer that one feels absolutely certain about.
Coconut and Spoon, i appreciate you guys' rational and measured responses especially in this Forum. Thank you.
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*Originally posted by Nadia_H: *
Coconut and Spoon, i appreciate you guys' rational and measured responses especially in this Forum. Thank you.
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Nadia: Bite me :p
lolz yeh statement, out of the blue?
This is a serious thread 
Hope you will find the answer in Sura Noah:
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YUSUFALI:
So he said: "Embark ye on the Ark, In the name of Allah, whether it move or be at rest! For my Lord is, be sure, Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful!"
So the Ark floated with them on the waves (towering) like mountains, and Noah called out to his son, who had separated himself (from the rest): "O my son! embark with us, and be not with the unbelievers!"
The son replied: "I will betake myself to some mountain: it will save me from the water." Noah said: "This day nothing can save, from the command of Allah, any but those on whom He hath mercy! "And the waves came between them, and the son was among those overwhelmed in the Flood.
Then the word went forth: "O earth! swallow up thy water, and O sky! Withhold (thy rain)!" and the water abated, and the matter was ended. The Ark rested on Mount Judi, and the word went forth: "Away with those who do wrong!"
And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!"
He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!"
Noah said: "O my Lord! I do seek refuge with Thee, lest I ask Thee for that of which I have no knowledge. And unless thou forgive me and have Mercy on me, I should indeed be lost!"
The word came: "O Noah! Come down (from the Ark) with peace from Us, and blessing on thee and on some of the peoples (who will spring) from those with thee: but (there will be other) peoples to whom We shall grant their pleasures (for a time), but in the end will a grievous penalty reach them from Us."
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*Originally posted by Changez_like: *
For myself, I agree with Coconut with what he said above.
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same here ... :-)
If one of my kids ( Allah Forbid) tells me that he/she wants to revert different relegion.
Offcourse i will be angry at first but then I will talk to them and will ask them why and whats, i.e;
why they think other relegion is better than Islam?
What influenced them to change the relegion?? an dmany other question of the same type so see their state of mind and too see if they are doing it with their free will or some one brain washed them.
I will cosult the islamic council of my area and will disscuss this matter with tham and will ask for their help in clearing the questions in my kids head.
but when alone i will think about what I did wrong which turned them away from the relegion.
and before that to not to encounter this stituation at all
i will try my best not to force islam on the kids but to give them oppertunity to explore islam and will provide them with study materials. will encourage them to take part in islamic societies.
//It’s hard to give an honest answer because I don’t have kids yet, but if they did I would first pray for them and if they persist then I’ll just tell them to get lost…//
Only that !!!
You wont kill them..
Seeing your replies in other forums, I thought your answer would be that you would kill them..
Good for them or rather you
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*Originally posted by RashGuy: *
//It’s hard to give an honest answer because I don’t have kids yet, but if they did I would first pray for them and if they persist then I’ll just tell them to get lost…//
Only that !!!
You wont kill them..
Seeing your replies in other forums, I thought your answer would be that you would kill them..
Good for them or rather you
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when allah got the judgement day for judging every ones actions who are we to kill them. rather we can talk to them and clear their missconceptions.
Good Question :)
First of all there can be two types of situation.
My child is under the influence of some cult, which made him change his mind and so he converted to that cult. In this case my child will be either immature or stupid cuz he is brainwashed easily.
He/she studied religons deeply( islam and others) and came to his own conclusion that islam is not the right religon for him/her.
In first case it is my failure as being parent that i did not took note of my child's hangout, his friends and his behaviour. I will be solely resposible for my childs going astray. And i should repent and pray to Allah for my as well as my sons forgivness.
In second case it will be very difficult for me. I need to be very clear about my beleif and have solid reasoning. I shall tell him to convince me about his/her decision. Failure to that, I shall try my best to convince him and give him time to think.
I will not disown him(second case) nor i shall curse him, but I will pray for him and for myself.
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*Originally posted by RashGuy: *
//It’s hard to give an honest answer because I don’t have kids yet, but if they did I would first pray for them and if they persist then I’ll just tell them to get lost…//
Only that !!!
You wont kill them..
Seeing your replies in other forums, I thought your answer would be that you would kill them..
Good for them or rather you
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You didn’t read my second reply did you?
First I will try clearing his or her misconceptions about Islam and pray for them if they persist I will beat the crap out of them and hand them over to the authorities that can give them what they deserve (i.e. execution).
But if we are in a non-Muslim land where Islamic law doesn’t apply (if anyone knows otherwise please let me know) the best I can do is pray for them and try talking them out of it and disowning them…
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*Originally posted by kewlsolara: *
If one of my kids ( Allah Forbid) tells me that he/she wants to revert different relegion.
Offcourse i will be angry at first but then I will talk to them and will ask them why and whats, i.e;
why they think other relegion is better than Islam?
What influenced them to change the relegion?? an dmany other question of the same type so see their state of mind and too see if they are doing it with their free will or some one brain washed them.
I will cosult the islamic council of my area and will disscuss this matter with tham and will ask for their help in clearing the questions in my kids head.
but when alone i will think about what I did wrong which turned them away from the relegion.
and before that to not to encounter this stituation at all
I agree 100% to the above very well written statement. Also to the people who said they would disown their kids or whatever, i just wondered do they have kids at the mo because untill you dont have kids of your own, you can'know how you would feel for them. There are many situations where parents are very hurt by their kids but cannot bear to hurt them because of their love for them. Yes you love your religion first and foremost but your kids love can measure up equally so the only best thing to do is to do what kewlsolara has said and then keep your faith in your god.
i will try my best not to force islam on the kids but to give them oppertunity to explore islam and will provide them with study materials. will encourage them to take part in islamic societies.
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I don't know nadia:(
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if they persist I will beat the crap out of them and hand them over to the authorities that can give them what they deserve (i.e. execution).
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First rule of preaching islam
** YOu can not force the religion on any one ** and ** you can not force any one to Islam **
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wow, nice reply Kewlsolara :k: :k: Masha’Allah.
Code Red, i really liked your reply as well.
Absolutely respect her choices.
She was informed of that decision early in life.
Was always my thinking that one should decide for oneself belief system.
What might have gotten me through life might not be what helps with hers, and that personal decision belongs to the one making the decision.
Its a sacred choice, if you will allow my saying so.
A choice between ones learned self and God.
And I think. God speaks in mysterious ways. Its up to the ears to fashion how one responds.
And I think God allows that.
I have reverts in my own family(from Christianity to Islam), and their respective parents did not disown them.
I would not disown my child but pray for their guidance. Allah forbid such a thing in the first place.
A question to those muslims that feel parents are responsible for what their children choose: Do you feel Nuh(AS) was responsible for his son not choosing Islam? Should he(AS) be held accountable for it? If not, then why would you hold yourself accountable? And if you do, how would you be held accountable?
Thanks.