If you share same fear for Yousaf record, as I?

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I always get a kick when a South Indian says, "did you know Sachin gaat a wold ricaaD in most number of hundreds"

Raise your hand if
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:rotfl:

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I mean honestly, this calendar year record is actually an insult to the player. It actually means that this batsman was good only for one year and all the other years of his career, he scored less runs than that one flash in the pan year.

i would rather take a batsman who scores 1000 runs every year for 10 years than one who scores 2000 in one year and 200 each year for the other 9 years.

Do you catch my drift?

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I mean honestly, this calendar year record is actually an insult to the player. It actually means that this batsman was good only for one year and all the other years of his career, he scored less runs than that one flash in the pan year.

i would rather take a batsman who scores 1000 runs every year for 10 years than one who scores 2000 in one year and 200 each year for the other 9 years.

Do you catch my drift?

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Make alot of sense. Consistency should be a measure of class. Afridi scored a hundred in under 40 balls but once, while Lara, Inzi, Ponting, Kevin, Gilly, Symond score it in 60-70 balls but on consistent basis, that tells their class.

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Have a look at the players who are in the top ten in this particular category. None of them are flash in the pan players. Records are made to be broken and everyone cares about them. They mean something and it is an achievement. This particular record has now stood for nearly 30 years which means that it is a difficult achievement and anyone who breaks it should be acknowledged. Wonder why any tom dick or harry didnt break it before. To call Richards, Yousef, Ponting flash in the pan players, you can do better than that.

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^ ehsan bhai, the point is, is it even a record? I don't think so.

Most centuries
Most runs
Most wickets
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. . . . are records

10+ wickets in a test match
This avergae
That average
Eco./rate
win/lose ratio for a caption
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.
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. . . . . . they are just statistics.

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^ Sorry I don't agree. If a bowler takes 10 wickets in a match once in a career now that is a flashin thepan to use a popular teminology but if a bowler has done it ten times in a career that indicates something about that bowler, wouldn't you say.

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I NEVER said Yousuf or others on the list were flash in the pan players. I still believe that his calendar year record means nothing. Yousuf and Viv did it in 11 matches. There are players on that list who played 15 tests in a calendar year and scored 1200 runs at an average of 48. Is that significant?

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^ bhai funguy sahib, you are absolutely right, there should be no "Grammy Awards", no "Oscar" award, no this award no that award too, what are these awards for? Most of them are for 'one-time' performance and not for lifetime achievements... lets trash all those and not care about any such record at all.

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But didn’t funguy posted in one of the thread that ICC should have waited before announcing the batsman of the year it should have gone to M. Yousuf.

I could be wrong but I read some where funguy posted above comments. Wouldn’t that be double standard :slight_smile:

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Your 1st fear actually makes sense. Its very easy to get nervous in this kinda situation.

Besides, he is trying to break a record of a WEst Indian so ofcourse West Indians would put all their efforts to send him back to the pavilion. My fear is that they will be continuously appealing against him just to make him nervous and put him under as much pressure as possible.

I don't think, the umpiring will be a matter here. They know that its gonna be a very sensitive decision. Plus the Hair issue is not that old.

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I hope they knew it is a very sensitive decision and also hope they accepted the facts that Pakistan suffered alot through Hair biased.

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^^
That is why, I always support Inzi's decision of refusing to play in that Hair affected game. That decision actually made this whole situation very sensitive - hense hair was removed.
And it'll always be remembered so umpires would think 10 times before making any decision specifically in imp games or innings. This innings of Yousuf is very imp. and am sure, umpires know that.

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cricket fan hope your jitters are over, hope you are not still biting your nails now that Mohammad Yousuf has mashallah broken the all-time record of most runs in a calendar year;)

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Good game overall. Atleast it saved me from bitting the tips of my fingers.

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This calender year record meant a lot to cricking world, it was all over the news, Lara wanted the record with his fellow west indian Viv, so if it means nothing to you, ...........who cares

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What rubish I was hearing from Sanjay and Bishop. I always like them over Ramiz or any other Pakistani commentator, but when Sanjay and Bishop were undermining the record achieved by Yousaf, I thought they are pathetic.

Sanjay was keep saying Yousaf made his runs against inexperienced bowlers, why didn't any other batsman made against all these inexperienced batsmen? Similarly when they were talking about giving pitches control to ICC, instead of allowing home teams to make these pitches, or suggesting to make bouncy pitches in India and Pakistan, do we ask Aussies and SA to make spinning tracks when teams from subcontinent visit?

I agree with the idea of supporting pitches but we should keep challenging the visiting teams with unfamiliar pitches. In subcontinent, we don't get results of test matches because of time lost, not because of flat pitches, add a sixth day to test matches in subcontinent for lost time, and we will see higher rate of results in subcontinent than in Australia and SA.

Batsmen piled runs in recent PAK vs ENG series too, but we still got results, only because there was no time lost for bad light. If we add sixth day for lost overs I think we should get results.

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If they give pitches control to ICC then tell Sanjay that whatever matches India do manage to win at home,there will be no more.Bc Outside subcontinent they lose anyway.I think the Indian and West indian pitches(remember last series) are worst in the world because they r neither here nor there.BtW between 1995 and 2006 there were only 14 drawn matches in Pakistan out of 46.

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Yousuf v Richards — Ian Bishop should get his facts straight

By From Shahed Sadullah (Editor The News London)

LONDON: Mohammad Yousuf’s remarkable feat of outscoring Sir Vivian Richards’s tally of 1710 runs in a calendar year by the comfortable margin of 78 runs is a record that will, in all probability, stand for a long long time on the record books. Former Pakistan captain Asif Iqbal, based in England, offered his sincere congratulations to the Pakistan ace, expressing the view that this would rank Yousuf with the all time greats and that it was a matter of immense pride for all Pakistanis that this record was now in Pakistani hands and hopefully there to stay.

Asif has sent a message to the PCB chief suggesting that the Board should institute an annual Mohammad Yousuf batting award to be given to the Pakistani cricketer getting the highest number of Test runs in a calendar year as a fit tribute to Yousuf’s great achievement.

Asked if he felt that Yousuf’s feat was in any way less than Richards’s in view of the superior bowling which some claim Richards had to face, Asif dismissed the idea as absurd.

The claim that Richards “had the edge” was made by West Indian commentator Ian Bishop who said that the bowlers Richards faced, including Lillee, Thompson, Bedi, Chandrashekhar and Venkataraghavan, were some of the best in the world, while those faced by Yousuf were, by implication, of lesser standard. The facts are as follows:

Richards’s run started with the fourth Test against Australia at Sydney which was played on 3,4,5 and 7 January, 1976. In the three Tests against Australia (out of a six Test series) that he played in the calendar year 1976, his total tally was 325 in six innings. Thus only 19 per cent of his total tally of 1710 for the year was scored against Australia. Out of the three Tests that count, Lillee did not play in one of them.

Sir Vivian then scored 556 runs against India at home in four Tests including three hundreds at an average of 92.6. India’s opening attack was carried by Madan Lal and Mohinder Amarnath who over four Test matches were asked to bowl only 98 overs among them with a tally of just four wickets between them.

Bedi, Chandrashekhar and Venkat were all towards the end of their careers and in a couple of years, all three were out of the Indian side. India did manage to win one Test but that was not through the efforts of its much vaunted spin attack, rather its batting which created a world record by chasing down what for a long time was the highest fourth innings run chase in history to score 406 for 4 to win the match, with Gavaskar and Vishwanath scoring centuries.

India’s opening attack was negligible and therefore it is arguable whether the Indian attack Sir Vivian faced was in any way superior to that faced by Yousuf.

With seamers like Irfan Pathan, Munaf Patel, Sreesanth and Zaheer Khan around now to support top class spinners like Kumble and Harbhajan Singh, one would venture the opinion that the current Indian attack is certainly a more rounded one than the attack they took to the Caribbean in 1976, which was based entirely and almost exclusively on spinners, most of whom were on the journey downhill.

The bulk of Richards’s runs came against England against an attack featuring as its main lights John Snow on his last legs and playing three out of the five Tests, and Bob Willis who played in only the last two Tests. For the most part the England attack was carried by the likes of Mike Hendrick, Chris Old. Tony Greig, Derek Underwood, Pat Pocock, Mike Selvey and even our own Bob Woolmer.

This attack, though efficient, would probably not be rated as one of the most fearsome England have ever fielded and if anyone were to assert that between them and the current England attack there would not be much more than the toss of a coin, he would have a point. Sir Vivian made his 829 runs in one of the finest English summers on record while Yousuf made his in a more typical English summer; Richards had batsmen of such outstanding calibre as Fredricks, Greenidge, Kallicharan and Lloyd to support him while Yousuf has for the most part been part of a lineup in which an opening stand of 25 is considered as something of a bonus.

None of this, of course, means that Yousuf is in any way a better batsman than Richards or vice versa. Both are geniuses in their own way and the comparison between two players separated by three decades is really an exercise in complete futility — which makes one wonder why such an exercise would ever be undertaken.

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