Re: If you had a friend pursuing a relationship with a Hindu Girl
I mentioned his future kids and viola the light bulb turned on in his brain. It’s always that with guys suddenly wakes them up from their fantasies. I mentioned parents before but that didn’t do much. I just asked how they want their kids to be raised. He wants his kids to be Muslim.
I think both of them woke up from the bollywood dream they were having. They looked cute together though.
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^I believe you did the right thing by bringing up the kids scenario. It’s good for him to think about this more thoroughly so that neither of them end up getting hurt. Since he talks to u about this girl and u know what his lifestyle and values are, then there’s nothing wrong in you using that as a baseline from which to ask him questions about things like parental approval and kids. Nothing wrong with advice if it doesn’t come across as invasive or judgy/pushy and your rapport with him allows you some leeway in this regard.
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Right. I wasn’t being pushy at all or pessimistic. He knows I care for him as a brother and friend. I was just trying to be a friend to both of them because when we’re in love, that emotional cloud can cloud judgment and practicality to the reality of all the differences that will cause future pain and heartache. I was just trying to be that for them. I wish I had a good friend like that when I made certain mistakes in my life. They are free to go ahead with and I’ll be there for them regardless of the decision but I wanted them to make an informed, well thought out decision and not an impulsive and solely emotional one.
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Kudos to you for being a such good friend. :k:
Re: If you had a friend pursuing a relationship with a Hindu Girl
I had a relationship with a Australian Christian girl for about 7 years and God she was everything I always wanted in a woman.
I thought eventually I would change her mind and she’d revert to Islam. You know that never happened 
Even though a Muslim man is allowed to marry a Christian woman or Ahl-e-Kitaab, practically speaking it doesn’t workout when it comes to kids and their upbringing specially in the western world.
I was on the verge of fighting my feelings and my deen. A really difficult combo trust me. Then by the blessing of Allah and as time passed by we broke up because we both could see it not working out in the longer perspective.
So in my opinion don’t run a race you’re not going to win. In this modern world women are not as simple as you think of them, they’ve firm beliefs or bound to their inner ideologies so much that they have the ability to let go of even the best relationship of their lives. And never forget the fact women always value their inner happiness more than mutual happiness until they get married and then things change to some extent.
The important thing for you to understand as a Muslim is that a Muslim woman is the most beautiful thing in this world. The way she can make your this life easy with a hope of a better after life. And trust me we’re living in the times where a small naiki can give you Jannah and a small wrong decision can ruin your Islamic Identity and the kids you’ll bring in to this world.
Let go of that Hindu girl. She might be best of the human beings but not ideal as a life partner. Find a Muslim woman though they’re the most difficult ones when it comes to mutuality but this life is not about only doing lalala but there’s after life as well So think about that!
Re: If you had a friend pursuing a relationship with a Hindu Girl
I’d keep my nose out of it. Or I’d be like…“forget her, marry me”.
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is a hindu gullfran more haraam than a muslim gullfran? i thought all of them were plenty haraam if you want to pull the religion card.
your friend sounds young. hardly anyone picks the right person when they are 22-23. so unless they are planning their wedding already, just let it play out its natural course and let them get to know what they like and dislike in a partner. there is more to life for many people than religions of their kids and grandkids - especially when they themselves arent very religious.
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I once had a thing with a Caribbean Hindu girl. This girl to this day in my eyes is perfection - beauty both outside and inside, i’ve never met a woman like her, although recently I have become close to an Arabic girl who is making me reassess this viewpoint. Anyhow, when it came to religion, she made it clear she would keep her religion if we ever took it to the next level. I walked. As much as I haven’t been the quintessential Muslim in the past, monotheism and the Prophet are axiomatically ingrained on my DNA.
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I get what you’re saying but the kids will have a Muslim last name and eventually the future generations will eventually embrace their family religion which would be Islam. The Hindu girl would be marrying into a Muslim family.
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Kids would be the product of Zina.
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I was just responding to Queer. I know it would be very wrong but the Muslim man would be making that decision to marry the Hindu girl in his scenario. No disagreement from my side.
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The relationship equation reminds one of a check valve or diode
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This. Having a girlfriend…whether Hindu or Muslim…is not allowed. However, there are more obstacles to be faced with the former. As an individual one might feel that there’s more to life than religion and kids. However, Islam encompasses every aspect of life and if one considers themselves a Muslim and truly values their faith…then they should also keep in mind that in Islam marriage takes into account the future generation (kids). Look at the dua for marriage in surah Furqaan…it encompasses children. And Muslim parents are accountable for doing their best to teach their kids about Islam and to put them on this path. I think guys generally don’t think too far into the future …(as in having kids)…when they are smitten with a girl and getting to know her…especially when they’re younger…so maybe that’s why this point didn’t occur to him earlier. Like I said before, you did the right thing by bringing this up…and it seems to have jolted him back into reality…and that’s good cuz you don’t want neither guy nor girl to get hurt. You’ve given him a heads up…so now you can leave him alone..and he can decide what he wants to do. It reminds me of how Allah told the Prophet SAWS that his duty is only to “remind” the people…and the outcome of that reminder/guidance is up to Allah. So…by giving him a heads-up…you just gave him a reminder and I see that as a good thing MashaAllah…not something to be made to feel conscious about.
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This. Unless she converts to Islam and truly embraces the faith…such a marriage won’t be valid and all that ensues from such a union (physical relations, offspring) won’t be legitimate. So, there are far-reaching consequences and therefore it’s not a simple matter. The guy and girl can decide what they want to do…but both should think it through thoroughly. Sometimes people decide to go with the flow…and then one of them or both of them ends up getting emotionally attached as that flow of time progresses…and then there’s heartache. So, better to factor some things in earlier.
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I’m not sure i understand. if the kids are guaranteed to be muslim, what seems to be the problem?
Realistically speaking, unless you are living in a joint household etc., marriages are between individuals. No more of girl marrying into a family etc. Look at the life1 forum here - hardly any girl wants to marry into any families, live with in laws and such even from those who want to be stay at home moms.
But then again we are talking about people who cant even think of punjabi marrying hyderabadi when both sides are muslim. Log kya kahenge, naak kat gayi etc issues are more pertinent cloaked under various garbs.
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I still don’t get how someone who is a monotheist can marry someone who believes in a million billion gods. Let me tell you about a British Pakistani guy here in London, he’s dead now. He was the ultimate property King, he owned a 1000 properties, net worth estimated in the 100’s of millions. He married a sikh woman. Had two daughters. He ended up divorcing the Sikh. You want to know what the SIkh woman promised him - “I’ll marry your daughters to Sardars from the Punjab”. She did just that. British law gave her custody to mold the children how she wanted. Moral of the story, stick to your own ala MUSLIMS! OP, refer your friend to Abu Dhur al Ghafari (ra) and his journey to Islam, if that doesn’t convince him about idolatry, I don’t know what will, lol.
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so sikh was good enough for him to marry but not his daughters? i dont get your point.
and unless number of gods you believe in makes any difference in the real world, i dont see the problem. what matters usually is ability of guy and girl to provide for a family, intelligence, mutual respect. otherwise you are just practicing animal husbandry - worrying about offspring’s trait and what not.
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My point is the notion that the children will follow the religion of the father in the West is null and void in the West. In regards to number of gods, as someone who professes to believe in Allah as the only god, to then go and marry someone who believes in Ram, Krisha and monkey gods and god knows what else seems highly contradictory to me, but each to their own. Me personally, I could never do that.
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I wasn’t aware there is some kind of law that children must follow the religion of the father.
And religion is highly contradictory, only difference is when it comes to your own religions contradictions you are forbidden from exploring them. Just extend the same courtesy to your spouse’s faith. Problem solved.
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Since someone brought up specifics about Hindu religion - worshiping monkey gods, it would he fair to point out muslims worship a black stone.
See how that works?