Was listening to this song containing some rare footage of August 1947:
Yun di hamen azadi ke dunia hui hairaan
Ae Quaid e Azam tera Ehsan hai Ehsan
I thought what would have been the situation if there was no Muhammad Ali Jinnah? Could we able to have a separate state for Muslims?
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Don’t think so. So glad he came along. 
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I just was wondering on the fact whether it was all one-man show, because after him we didn’t have a right person to lead the nation.
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No I disagree.
Jinnah was important, but by no means was he the sole founder nor was he by far the best candidate.
Many men made much greater sacrifices and Jinnah was instrumental to the final map of Pakistan but I dont believe for a minute he was a miracle worker or that without him Muslims would have failed to create aq seperate state.
I think the first to actually suggest an independance movement were men in the late 19th Century and Syed Maher Ali Shah was another important figure in the theological field.
Also without money from the likes of rich and powerfull men like Nawab Abdul Rab Nawaz Nishtar and Liaqat Ali Khan, Jinnah would not have got far.
Furthermore Jinnah was a great Muslim leader but in my opinion he was not the most outstanding muslim leader of the 20th Century. Perhaps for Pakistan he was significant but in the Global field his acheivments are outwieghed by those of others.
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Mehr Ali Shah?
You mean the person who wrote:
Kithe Mehr Ali Kithe teri Sana
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^ Yes the very same.
Mehr Ali Sha was among the first to call for a seperate state.
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^ Yes the very same.
Mehr Ali Sha was among the first to call for a seperate state.
But even many British writers say that if British Government would know about the seriousness of Mr Jinah's illness (that he would not live for more than 2 years), they would have tried to postponed partition and then it would never have happened.
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Perhaps, but the way I see it there were three possibilites. Either a peacefull settlement through partition, A violent Partition... or a large and ungovernable republic. If India had stayed together there would still be chaos as too much was at stake.
British writers might be true but nobody can be sure of what would have or would not have happened. I still feel that without Jinnah there might still have been a seperate Islamic state becuase the demand for one had been raised much earlier.
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Perhaps, but the way I see it there were three possibilites. Either a peacefull settlement through partition, A violent Partition... or a large and ungovernable republic. If India had stayed together there would still be chaos as too much was at stake.
British writers might be true but nobody can be sure of what would have or would not have happened. I still feel that without Jinnah there might still have been a seperate Islamic state becuase the demand for one had been raised much earlier.
Yes the demand for a separate state there, but probably Muslims lacked leadership and the circumstances were suitable (like WW-2) which helped Muslims to get a state under the leadership of Mr Jinah. he himself has said to Fatima Jinah that he didn't think of to have Pakistan in his own life during his journey from Delhi to Karachi on August 13, 1947.
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hmmm perhaps... for the time I guess there were few who held as much media appeal as Jinnah and even fewer who could speak so calmly.
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hmmm perhaps... for the time I guess there were few who held as much media appeal as Jinnah and even fewer who could speak so calmly.
Obviously a country can not be made by a one person.. Many unknown people had sacrificed ( given bigger sacrifices) for this country. But If we look at the leadership, who do you think were the people of Mr Jinah's caliber?
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i agree with faris bhai,but i think jinnah provided the strong leadership,and i think no one can justify that position like jinnah, but yeah by hook or crook pakistan was meant to be on the map of the world
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You mean if not Jinnah, Zaid hamid would have got Pakistan for us 
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as we say its not a one man show, team work , but no one can compete wth mr jinnah 
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Mr Jinnah is the winner 
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No Quaid e Azam, no Pakistan, simple as that. As he brought the muslims of the subcontinent together, in his absence I dont think Punjab would have joined and Balochistan would have taken its own way as well.
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How different is demand of seprate pakistan is different from demand of zionist state?
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^ Kaur bless you for hitting the nail on the head. I was going to open two threads on a very special mention for Pakistan and India.
Theres already a Thread in PA about Pakistan comparrison with India when in actuallity I see Pakistan and Isreal as far more comparable.
Also in August another nation celebrates its independance and that Nation should have been the role model for the SubContinet too.
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How different is demand of seprate pakistan is different from demand of zionist state?
Pakistan's demand was for existing population as compared to forceful occupation and getting existing population out of their homes as is the case with zionist state.