I don't think US is looking for sympathy as much as those who haven't achieved are looking for it. As I said, consider yourself fortunate to not be at the top.
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I don't think US is looking for sympathy as much as those who haven't achieved are looking for it.
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Talk about delusions of grandeur.
If the US is any example to go by, running around and bombing the crap out anyone on pure whim, goofing off at the top seems pretty easy to me.
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"After all the men bring peace to any war sitaution have been diplomats."
Needing further edits apparently.
Most ambassadors are political hacks, while the real professionals deal with the more mundane.
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As you are only trying to get under my skin i will let is slide. You dont know any better. Most Ambassadors are career diplomats. Only key stations have political appointments. 99% of the US diplomats study in Harvard or other IVY league schools. In France it is their special Lycees etc. The real professionals as you say are usually 30 or 40 years later Ambassadors. The way the system works it trains you for such ambassadoral positions.
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Talk about delusions of grandeur.
If the US is any example to go by, running around and bombing the crap out anyone on pure whim, goofing off at the top seems pretty easy to me.
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History is a worthy endeavor to study and learn. The University of Missouri has a great Department of History, perhaps it is not too late to sign up for fall classes.
"Most Ambassadors are career diplomats."
Have met many of them. Most are nice people who don't want to rock the boat. Most trade negociations and miltary contacts are far more improtant at really effecting the relations with the country. Ivy league does not mean effective. Most are not empowered to do anything but keep the status quo, and process passports, and have tea, and shuffle paper. They are mostly message bearers who have no input on the message.
Many have snappy wardrobes and rich daddies.
Not very impressed.
Well i guess you didnt meet any of them if you think they dont affect policy. Just the opposite.
Foggy Bottom barely sets policy, never mind the ambassadors in the field. Have met many, many of them. Infact, have met more bureaucrats in my life than you will ever imagine. Hang on, I have to practice my moral outrage look in the mirror, perhaps stamp my foot a little. Most ambassadors are not trusted dangling big carrots, or waving big sticks. Most policy is still based on inertia, past practice, and the path of least resistance.
The politicians are the only ones who can make meaningful moves, and most of the time those are resisted by the diplomatic underlings who hate to make waves. But then again, even underlings can have bloated egos.
Put it this way, i dont believe because i know otherwise, i have grown up talking to diplomats, ministers and heads of state. I know the inner workings of most diplomatic corps and have functioned as a officer for the Swiss government before taking my present job.
Like in all governments, policy maybe defined by the politicans only after they have been okayed by the diplomats. I am 22 and i have worked for 3 different national governments.
But to each his own.
"I am 22..."
Thus proving that you could not POSSIBLY know the inner workings of any government. Starry eyed kids do not impress me, nor puffed up self impressed..... Never mind.
When I was 22 I was shaking hands with Reagan and Carter and working for John Anderson. After 25 years of dealing with every fashion of bureaucrat and politican, your perspective will change. When you are 50, maybe you will have kept a job longer than a week, and actually accomplished something. Wake me when you start to shave, perhaps you will nick yourself and deflate a little...
what was that loud zing I just heard? Oh, it was OG...
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History is a worthy endeavor to study and learn. The University of Missouri has a great Department of History, perhaps it is not too late to sign up for fall classes.
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Unfortunately you haven't followed your own advice. Maybe then you would actually be fit to participate in a discussion.
It's a good sign that you have resorted to personal insults, you've obviously run out of any arguments so my job here is done. :)
One infidel at a time ;)
Can’t believe I’m actually coming to the defense of CM on any topic, but here goes …
OhioGuy:
Alexander the Great had conquered half the known world by the time he was 14. Frankly, any 22 year old 80+ IQ dimwit probably could learn everything you need to know about the “the inner workings of most diplomatic corps” in three summer internships. How much practice does it take to learn when and how to raise one eyebrow? After only a couple of mock dinners, you should know which fork to use to eat your salad. Even I know that you deliver envelopes bearing bad news with your right hand and envelopes bearing good news with your left.
CM is obviously much brighter than an 80+ IQ dimwit. I find his self proclaimed expertise in the inner workings of most diplomatic corps to be possible and credible.
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Unfortunately you haven't followed your own advice. Maybe then you would actually be fit to participate in a discussion.
It's a good sign that you have resorted to personal insults, you've obviously run out of any arguments so my job here is done.
One infidel at a time
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I'm sorry if you think it is an insult to ask that you learn a little more about the responsibilities and history of world powers before you spew out propaganda as facts. It makes discussions such as these easy, but boring. But as you say, it is lonely at the top.
One 22 year old at a time...
Edit: Forget it i dont need to explain myself to the likes of you.
MV,
For shame, you have forgotten the most demanding of diplomatic chores!
Repeat after me, "I have to protest in the strongest possible terms!". Which of course is the equivalent to real men screaming F*@# You at each other. And the classic, "We had FRANK discussions, blah blah blah.." Which of course means that somebody insulted the tea!
You sell short diplomatic skills! After all there is always the "killer" CYA memo, and the "drop dead" executive summary, which spares everyone the trauma of having to read the soon-to-be-destined-for-the-dist-bin thousand pound report!
As i will Inshallah be banned in the next couple of days. I might as well come clean. My father has been an ambassador for 20 years in four countries. Of course i am not gonna mention which country he represents. Regardless. I have spent my entire life meeting, eating and drinking with dignitaries and diplomats. Ministers, heads of state and royalty (saudi in this case). As such i have been privy to the discussions which take place between close allies and people who are considered friends. Most of the opinions i hold are usually bounced off ambassadors and other ranking diplomats i have met in my life and still keep in touch with.
I have worked with the Swiss government on what is now know as the Berne Initiative for 1 year. The project failed as nobody wished for the system to suceed. Something i am extremely happy about.
Current i am a trade diplomat working with the WTO on behalf of a country.
Living as a diplomats child and currently being a diplomat i am more than adept at knowing how governments function and also how ignorant people do not know the true nature of a diplomats job.
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As i will Inshallah be banned in the next couple of days. I might as well come clean. My father has been an ambassador for 20 years in four countries. Of course i am not gonna mention which country he represents. Regardless. I have spent my entire life meeting, eating and drinking with dignitaries and diplomats. Ministers, heads of state and royalty (saudi in this case). As such i have been privy to the discussions which take place between close allies and people who are considered friends. Most of the opinions i hold are usually bounced off ambassadors and other ranking diplomats i have met in my life and still keep in touch with.
I have worked with the Swiss government on what is now know as the Berne Initiative for 1 year. The project failed as nobody wished for the system to suceed. Something i am extremely happy about.
Current i am a trade diplomat working with the WTO on behalf of a country.
Living as a diplomats child and currently being a diplomat i am more than adept at knowing how governments function and also how ignorant people do not know the true nature of a diplomats job.
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Hahaha.....
Inshallah you will be banned in a couple of days.
And now I will have to come clean. My real name is Dick Cheney.....
hahahahah
Well Faisal you can ask Saba. She has known about this for ever since i joined. You can also ask some of your fellow mods.
This is ripe…
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WhooHooo
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Ok, so I have two large black, one with just sugar, one double latte, and a mocha grande… Anything else?