If God Had Not created Human

[diwana]

Re: If God Had Not created Human

@philosophy

amused by the dinosaurs

LOL

@psyah

God is free of needs. It is not true that God is compelled in any way. The reason for our Creation is so we can recognise God not so that He can be recognised. Our reason for being created is to serve our own need to recognise Him. It is not that He needs to be recognised, rather that it is befitting of Him to be recognised by what He can make, so He made everything out of Mercy, which simultaneously became manifest as the Creation. The Creation is Created in Mercy, the Mercy is for the Creation. They both come together - He made us in pairs, in every possible sense.

All the bold parts psyah bhai with all due respect, do not seeem to be correct.

1- God created human. Human did not exist till human was created.

2- Hence, the need was not even there to recognize God till God created us.

3- Mercyful creation? “He made everything out of mercy?” How come? If we were not created, then how good or bad it would have been to us human? If we were not created, then there would not have been any need for talking about mercy or wrath on us. Right?

@Curious Lady

^Circular reasoning. We wouldn’t have the need to recognize Him if we weren’t created. Thus, no comprehensible reason for creation.

But I like that God has no needs.

As for your post diwana, what do you think He is doing right now? He is clearly not sitting there counting each person’s good vs. bad deeds and deciding which wishes to grant. He can’t be judging us, because it is an all-loving God who created us in his image.

As to your first part where you said about circular reasing. I tend to agree. I answered along the same way as above.

Since we are not ‘created’ out of our own choice, we should be thankful?

I do not know if you can understand Urdu, but the poet said it beautifully:

Laai Hayaat Aaye, Qazaa Le Chali, Chaley
Apni Khushi Na Aaye, Na Apni Khushi Chaley

I love the last bold part for another meaning of ‘chaley’.

@TLK

whatever he was doing before he created humans … or will be doing between the dooms day and judgment day as no one human would be alive and no one knows the gap between those two days.

Did you mean it does not matter to him if he had created human or not?