Re: If God exists!
Peace Seminole
It was not my assumption. The Qur'an clearly states this. You may profess to a belief and you may call it strong, but the Qur'an gives us insight in to how you deceive yourself. I will say it again you have no belief until you believe in One God and Muhammad (SAW) as His Messenger.
Well then the Quran is clearly wrong and your assumption that it is right is what is wrong. Either that or your interpretation of the Quran is wrong. Either way, you are wrong. Your belief in God holds no superior position to my belief in God.
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The purpose of humanity is to worship Allah (SWT) ... Allah (SWT) has no premise ... that is the belief of Islam. You can try to push the issue until you go blue in the face. It will not make it true. There is a condition that if God Created us to worship Him, it doesn't mean that he requires it. It can also fall into other categories other than requirement. You only feel it is implicit as a requirement because you view the concept of God through the eyes of a human. Logically there is no link between purpose and requirement.
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We obviously pray to different Gods as you point out in your first paragraph. We also believe in a different purpose for humanity and that God needs (or requires or demands) constant worship from puny humans. So I guess all this is for naught. We aren't talking apples vs. apples apparently.
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e.g. The purpose of the pen is to write with it, however, it doesn't mean that writing is necessary life can go on without us writing anything. Get over it!
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What a silly comparsion. So, the purpose of humans is to worship God, however that doersn't mean that worshippoing God is necessary life can go on without us worshipping God? What point does that make?
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The Qur'an is never said to be complete ... i.e. the Words of God are not ALL in the Qur'an. However, for our purpose in life Islam is complete and the Qur'an is sufficient for all of our affairs including the Sunnah for contextualisation and understanding.
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Apparently it is not since there are so many interpretations by different sects. Besides don't surahs 6:38 and 6:114 state the Quran is complete?
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The reason for preserving the Qur'an is with Allah (SWT) however we can conclude that there are no more prophets to come so the message will do good being in tact. You see them as threats, but Muslims see them as warnings ... the Qur'an gives guidance and misguidance remember that. A warning is for the safety of the human, but a threat is for the interest of the one who threats. Since Allah (SWT) does not need our worship it is only in our interest that we worship Him. He will not lose out by us not worshipping Him, but we will if we don't.
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If he doesn't need our worship, then how does he gain? There are many other things God could require us to do that would make us better people and better servants than wasting a good part of our day bowing to him.
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Again your understanding of the Qur'an is very wrong and that is why you are still not a Muslim either that or you are lying to yourself. Not my words the Words of the Qur'an!
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Understanding and believing are two different things. I have read the Quran and MANY peoples' interpretation of it. The difference is I read and listen with an open mind, I have not been indoctrinated from birth with the belief, so I would have to say that I am not the one who doesn't understand the Quran or who is lying to myself.