If China can! Then why not Pakistan???

Chinese have now lived under commie dictatorship for one of the longest periods in the recent history. The dictatorship started under Mao and continues as of today. It killed millions of Chinese, utterly destroyed the free will of Chinese, conducted horrible Tianmin massacre not too long ago. And yet it is the “global” destination of all things technology.

Americans, Japanese, Koreans, and Europeans are all lined up at the Chinese door step to make yet another deal.

In Pakistan we listen too much to the liberals and anarchists. We try to accommodate them even at the cost of our motherland. We let these vermin burn and plunder our banks, railway stations, and factories.

Can you imagine if a Chinese group had burned a factory or two? They would have been hung on the poles the very next day. But not in Pakistan. In the name of freedom of speech and free expression we are allowing anarchist of every hue to come and plunder, while listening to the long lectures from liberals and anarchists the world over.

It is time to crack down on the anarchist vermin. If the West gets angry then so be it. We want stability in our country and the so called democracy will simply bring more anarchy.

Once our country is stable, and all these anarchist vermin are behind bars, the same West will be lined up to make yet another deal.

In the long run, Pakistan’s only hope for progress is system similar to Chinese or at the most like Singapore or Dubai. No loot mar party, and no anarchists disguised as democrats.

Enough is enough.

Re: If China can! Then why not Pakistan???

Chineses people are very different from Pakistanis... You cant draw conclusions by comparing two completely different populations...

Each society has it own dynamics, so you cant expect the same mould to fit them all.

We may want to have Chinese type growth, but we also want respectr for Human rights and the right to choose a government...

People also riot in China, there is a lot of unrest in their rural areas, but we never hear about it because media is all state controled and the Chinese are experts at hiding their dirty laundry...

Pakistan can do it, but not under dictatoship and not without respect for human rights and human dignity...

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You should find new ways to defend dictatorship vehemently, its not working

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Yet, the poor misguided souls are calling Pakistan a dictatorship. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

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That's true.

Chinese people can have peaceful orderly life. They can dream about better future.

But havens forbid, Pakistanis could ever enjoy life without looters, arsonists, and anarchists.
We must at every cost allow our so called liberals looters or Mullah chauvinists aka anarchists to roam free in the country. Pakistan do not deserve a stable future, just because our "dynamics" is different. Yeap we must believe in the "perils" of wisdom from the West based liberals.

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ALright! finally these pakistani neocons, these sociolists, lovers of bolshivism mixed with the virulence of the Brown shirts are finally not even pretending any more. My good ness! These lovers of fascism, enemies of liberty have absolutely totally decayed to such abysmal darkness. This is the mindset that supports musharraf.

Every liberty loving Pakistani must take note.

haha

We'll see how Mr. BurqaGoebell here reacts when his own flesh and blood who dissents is sent to the gallows or his town or settlement is bombarded.

Lord have mercy on these cruel cruel souls.

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Dictatorship for Life, the only solution for Pakistan :jhanda:

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^Don't be too mad at people. They are doing it on direction of their spirtual guide Altaf Hussain.

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Naah bro, I am more amused than upset.

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Irrational commentS Zindabad, no wonder you support Mush… :jhanda:

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The first thing China under Mao did was ban religious practice.

Burqaposhq - are you willing to take that? Somehow from your vey nick it seems not

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Here is more proof that Chinese model could work for Pakistan.

Daily Times - Site Edition Sunday, January 13, 2008
http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2008\01\13\story_13-1-2008_pg3_6

VIEW: Year of the ‘China Model’ — Ian Buruma

The China Model is not only attractive to the country’s new coastal elites, but has global appeal. African dictators — indeed, dictators everywhere — who walk the plush red carpets laid out for them in Beijing love it. For the model is non-Western, and the Chinese do not preach to others about democracy.

It will be China’s year in 2008. The Olympic Games — no doubt perfectly organised, without a protester, homeless person, religious dissenter, or any other kind of spoilsport in sight — will probably bolster China’s global prestige. While the American economy gets dragged down further in a swamp of bad property debts, China will continue to boom. Exciting new buildings, designed by the world’s most famous architects, will make Beijing and Shanghai look like models of twenty-first century modernity. More Chinese will be featured in annual lists of the world’s richest people. And Chinese artists will command prices at international art auctions that others can only dream of.

To come back from near destitution and bloody tyranny in one generation is a great feat, and China should be saluted for it. But China’s success story is also the most serious challenge that liberal democracy has faced since fascism in the 1930s.

This is not because China poses a great military threat — war with the United States, or even Japan, is only a fantasy in the minds of a few ultra-nationalist cranks and paranoiacs. It is in the realm of ideas that China’s political-economic model, regardless of its environmental consequences, is scoring victories and looking like an attractive alternative to liberal democratic capitalism.

And it is a real alternative. Contrary to what some pundits say, Chinese capitalism is not like nineteenth-century European capitalism. True, the European working class, not to mention women, did not have voting rights 200 years ago. But even during the most ruthless phases of Western capitalism, civil society in Europe and the US was made up of a huge network of organisations independent of the state — churches, clubs, parties, societies, and associations that were available to all social classes.

In China, by contrast, while individuals have regained many personal freedoms since the death of Maoism, they are not free to organise anything that is not controlled by the Communist Party. Despite communism’s ideological bankruptcy, China has not changed in this regard.

The China Model is sometimes described in traditional terms, as though modern Chinese politics were an updated version of Confucianism. But a society where the elite’s pursuit of money is elevated above all other human endeavours is a far cry from any kind of Confucianism that may have existed in the past.

Still, it’s hard to argue with success. If anything has been laid to rest by China’s rising wealth, it is the comforting idea that capitalism, and the growth of a prosperous bourgeoisie, will inevitably lead to liberal democracy. On the contrary, it is precisely the middle class, bought off by promises of ever-greater material gains, that hopes to conserve the current political order. It may be a Faustian bargain — prosperity in exchange for political obedience — but so far it has worked.

The China Model is not only attractive to the country’s new coastal elites, but has global appeal. African dictators — indeed, dictators everywhere — who walk the plush red carpets laid out for them in Beijing love it. For the model is non-Western, and the Chinese do not preach to others about democracy. It is also a source of vast amounts of money, much of which will end up in the tyrants’ pockets. By proving that authoritarianism can be successful, China is an example to autocrats everywhere, from Moscow to Dubai, from Islamabad to Khartoum.

China’s appeal is growing in the Western world as well. Businessmen, media moguls, and architects all flock there. Could there be a better place to do business, build stadiums and skyscrapers, or sell information technology and media networks than a country without independent trade unions or any form of organised protest that could lower profits? Meanwhile, concern for human or civic rights is denigrated as outmoded, or an arrogant expression of Western imperialism.

There is, however, a fly in the ointment. No economy keeps growing at the same pace forever. Crises occur. What if the bargain struck between the Chinese middle classes and the one-party state were to fall apart, owing to a pause, or even a setback, in the race for material wealth?

This has happened before. The closest thing, in some ways, to the China Model is nineteenth-century Germany, with its industrial strength, its cultivated but politically neutered middle class, and its tendency toward aggressive nationalism. Nationalism became lethal when the economy crashed, and social unrest threatened to upset the political order.

The same thing could happen in China, where national pride constantly teeters on the edge of belligerence towards Japan, Taiwan, and ultimately the West. Aggressive Chinese nationalism could turn lethal, too, if its economy were to falter.

This would not be in anyone’s interest, so we should wish China well in 2008, while sparing a thought for all the dissidents, democrats, and free spirits languishing in labour camps and prisons. We should hope that they will live to see the day when the Chinese, too, will be a free people. It might be a distant dream, but dreaming is what New Year’s is all about. –DT-PS

Ian Buruma is Professor of human rights at Bard College. His most recent book is Murder in Amsterdam: The Killing of Theo van Gogh and the Limits of Tolerance