Idolaters as dhimmis

some questions i sincerely dont know the answer
why were hindus [polytheist] granted dhimmi status in india ?
any example from life of the Prophet(saw)?
What did muslim kings do to encourage conversions to Islam [apart from few like aurangzaib ]
is coexistence with idolworshippers like hindus allowed in a islamic state ?..examples plz from pious caliphate too if possible

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I want to know the answer to that as well..

Can idolators (Hindus etc.) be granted Dhimmi status?

Don’t quote me on this because I’m not sure if it’s true or not but I once heard our beloved Prophet :saw: granted Dhimmi status to Zoroastrians who are not People of the Scripture (Jews/Christians), if this narration is true then the Hindu religion is also descended from Vedicism which is a related religion to Zoroastrianism.

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I don't think the Muslim rulers of South-Asia were that bothered about spreading Islam amongst the South-Asians because had they chose to spread Islam they could have easily converted India to Islam the way Christianity was spread around the globe both by preaching and by the sword, after all we did rule the Hindus for about 1000 years..

I know Hindu fundos have been playing the "all Muslims were out to convert us" drum to play with peoples emotions but I don't think the Muslim rulers were arsed about religion, as long as their throne was safe, they were more bothered about their material gains than their subjects spiritual well-being.. Some did persecute non-Muslims in the nameof Jihad but only because they saw them as a political threat, their real motive wasn't to spread Islam...

...e.g. fundo Sikh like to create anti-Islam/Muslim feeling by stating that Aurangzeb persecuted the Gurus because he was inspired by Islam but in reality he was just worried about the growing strength of the Khalsa which could be a political threat for him so he used the name of Islam... What people forget is that the people who helped the Guru Ji escape were also Muslims too, they were Pashtuns like me, Nabi Khan and Ghani Khan.

Aurangzeb didn't only persecute Sikhs, he also faught against Pashtuns who were fellow Muslims, so he wasn't the *thekedar *of Islam at all, in fact before he died he admitted to being a sinner in the eyes of Islam..

The Mughals were more bothered about alcohol, sexing Hindu women and bachey-baazi than Islam (like a lot of people with the same origins as them).

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hi friends what does dhimmi mean?

and regarding conversion aurengzeb is considered responsible for forced conversions. its wrong to say that he not perceuted sikhs hindus for religion.
the most common example was of kashmir when forcible conversions of pandits started in valley they came to guru teg bahadur in punjab to save their religion. message was sent to aurengzeb that if he was converted to Islam all pandits will follow. so guru teg bahadur was persecuted and finally massacred at chandni chowk and one sewak brought his head to punjab.
its said that aurengzeb had saying that he will eat food only when he get janeu the sacred thread of pandits in 1 mann daily.
kashmir changed religion then forcibly even mr Mohammed iqbal had grandfather and before kashmiri pandit.
so we cannot say aurengzeb a secular. haqiqat rai in sialkot was subjected to death when he said no to conversion. in sirhind the sons of guru gobind singh less than 10 yrs were put behind the walls diwaron mein chin diya when they refused to change religion.
he build mosques at famous hindu cities like benaras etc
it was part of history cannot be neglected. except aurengzeb all were liberal . that's fact

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hi friends what does dhimmi mean?
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"Ahl ad-Dhimma" literally means "Protected People", "Dhimmi" means "Protected Person", it refers to Non-Muslims living in a Islamic State practising their own faith and living according to the rulings of their own religion under Muslim protection, those who are able to are required to pay a tax (Jizyah) like the Muslim citizens are required to pay Zakaah (Purifying-Alms).

Our Prophet, Muhammed (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) is reported to have said "W*hoever hurts a dhimmi, hurts me, and he who hurts me angers Allaah*".

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Muhammad Iqbal’s grandfather was not converted by Aurangzeb, he was convinced of the Truth of Islam and its superiority over praying to stone idols and animals, being racist (casteist) and burning widows alive.. just like the rest of us South-Asians who willingly embraced the glorious religion of Islaam and wouldn’t give it up for anything.. I can assure you Muhammad Iqbal’s grandfather was not forcibully converted by Aurangzeb :smiley: Ab yeh mat kehna ke Aurangzeb ki aatman ne unn ko Musalman kiya tha.. :omg:

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I would surprised. The Zoroastrian lands (Persia) were conquered by Hazrat Umar (ra), not the Prophet (saws).

Which raises the question - what status did Hazrat Umar (ra) accord the Zorastrians, given that they continued to exist in Persia for well over 1000 years thereafter?

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okay even if i consider u right can u defy forced conversions in kashmir and other parts of india. rise and martydom of sikhs, children of guru gobind singh, veer haqiqat rai etc

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I think in bahrain Prophet(pbuh) granted zorastrians dhimmi status that was the basis why Umar(ra) did the same ...if he had not given them that status then what are the other options ? conversion or waging war against them ?
Plz tell me

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Haqiqat Rai was a swine not a martyr..