If you look at my post from on Hazrat Umar.. Pretty much it was all my stuff. The only stuff I have quoted from outside are the copy/paste hadith.. and provided references to it. I have given references to a few websites.. but all the points I have raised were no copy / paste besides the hadith and ayat from teh Quran…
It amazes me, how your biased eye ruled out my self worded post to be an online artile and yet your wise I overlooked the stuff from Ibne Sadique thread.. which really looks like I copy / paste stuff and he even quoted the website… why wasn’t the same warning issued to him. if you read it with an open eye you probably find a copy / paste article more on his post than just copy / paste hadith quotation and yet no warning to me on this thread… OR does your rule apply to only shia guppies…
Compare to the thread I have posted the thread started by Umar 2008, appears to be a copy / paste article from the get go, it has been ongoing for weeks.. and you were among the first few one to reply on it… How come your so called wise moderation missed it and someone had to point you out…
Or you just look for excuses, if you have hard time defending your believes… Oh well.. What next you are going to accuse me for pasting all the above from an article again if you run out of excuces.
Can you please clarify agian, if we want to quote hadith and quranic ayats.. should we hand type or is copy / paste allowed for those… if the copy / paste of hadith is allowed , can you please take the pains of pointing out which article I copied form… before you start playing game of accusations If you think you are wise I would advice you to answer my concerns above than just delete this thread…
Re: Iconoclast the biased Religon Moderator ! ! ! ! !
and while we’re at it.. it amazes me how iconoclast closed this thread and left firenze’s post untouched. Be a man , act like your avatar…and be a fair mod.
Re: Iconoclast the biased Religon Moderator ! ! ! ! !
I have had my posts deleted without any valid reason recently. The reason given was that i had made disrespectful 'claims' about Umar bin Khattab. What i actually had stated was an undisputed fact (his tribe and background) and i had stated it in reasonably polite terms. My statement was very much inline with the discussion taking place as well.
I suggest that as long as the writings does not contain profanaties, lies, or large hateful copy/pastes, then they should be allowed orelse the whole point of 'discussion' will be wasted.
Re: Iconoclast the biased Religon Moderator ! ! ! ! !
^^ sure why not? do u not see the offensive language hanibal? like seriously man, this is too much ..just look at the way he talks..does he even deserve to be the mod?.. firenze is interested in talkin about ahmadiyyat.. he shud be man enuff to participate in the threads which were having the discussions instead of goin to feedback section and attacking the religious leader.
His post of "my ass" .. like chill buddy! how old is this guy really? his post of "my arse" proves what? ok he must have hate in him towards ahmadiyya jamaat, but this is no way to show. He should learn the hate from you hanibal.. teach him some sweet hate.
Offensive language is unacceptable. You are welcome to have question regarding whatever, but asking question with attacking someone's belief is not appropriate for any GS member. Let alone a mod doing it.
PS: and since u quoted me on this thread about iconoclast... i'd request him to edit his offensive posts, instead of just thinking that his job is completed just by closing the thread and let go of firenze's cheap posts there..
i can answer your question if you tell me how do you defend your Imam Khomeini who said in his fatwa in Tahrirulwasileh that an adult can marry an infant lustfully rub his privates against an infants thighs.
Please before making any accusations, provide references… this is totally off the topic … and sounds like a rumor introduced to defame a religon… I don’t think I have discussed anything of such nature or showed any advocation for such topics… Go and read the thread topic again.. and if you have any positive thing to say please do so on those respects… open a thread if you have any other concerns.. but please do provide reference when you make accusations… However please check with Iconoclast if he is oK with you quoting hadith or referneces…
Its amazing, how when I quoted things from no other than Sahih books and quran… the best people like you and Ibn Sadique can do is look for stuff to defame us than defend or justify your belief… You came up with something out of blue.. Ibne Sadique he came up with some stuff to accuse Bibi Fatima Zehra S.A… eventhough her purity was testified in the ayat 33:33 and any stuff that contradicts quran is unacceptable. to me… I would rather not copy / paste of haidth or ayats with references until Inconoclast clarifies if copy / paste hadith and quran is allowed or not? I am still confused Since thats all I have done in the thread I was banned … quoted Sahih books and quran… Iconocast some feedback would be appreciated… So I can abide by them in the future…
Re: Iconoclast the biased Religon Moderator ! ! ! ! !
It amazes me that a someone with 249 posts even has the courage to come up with a conclusion regarding a member with over 7,000 posts, Iconclast is, a very respectable member as far as i ve followed him, hes done something thas deserving of a modship. so i suggest that the person with 249 posts review his/her accusations if i may say accusations.
people with good credability get the top jobs i.e a mod of religious forum in this case, if your pont was valid, why wud even firenze or icon even be mods @ 249 poster
It amazes me how you think man… I don’t think # of posts is what it takes to come up with the courage.. I have pointed out several instances where I don’t feel justified and so did a few other guppies.. and I have still been asking for some clarifications…
Now if he is credible as you might say.. don’t you think he should full fill his so called top job by justifying the accusations I’ve made and at the same time clarify… the stuff I have been asking for through out the thread…
Should a person who is credible and have a person iwth top job justify if actions if needed? or its the # is all that matters to you.. Any one can go on posting stuff on net.. but is enuff to meet your definition of credibility? If so, let me ask you something. this example is not intended for Iconoclast.. but if a person works in a company for years as a Janitor or some xyz position… Does that give him the credibility to be the next ceo of the company?
Re: Iconoclast the biased Religon Moderator ! ! ! ! !
^^ so what does he should do, justify the accusations which every tom dick and harry is making or do his job as the mod of the forum by starting conversation and having positive discussions...
Re: Iconoclast the biased Religon Moderator ! ! ! ! !
Texan dude
Before posting we encourage every member to read the religion forum rules. For convinience i will copy the relevant parts here and i hope this helps everybody reading this thread on GS policy. (And these rules were written 4 years ago and not by me)
[QUOTE]
We welcome constructive discussion and positive examination of any aspects of Islam and all other religions. Please note - We seek to learn more about other religions, and promote accurate and productive discussions in this pursuit. Hence we highly encourage participants from other (non-Islamic) faiths to contact the forum moderators in this regard, and help us to ensure that we can fulfill these aims, and to report any violation of the wider policies.** But** specifically any posts containing defamation of, insults, ridicule or making a mockery of:
His Prophets and Messengers, and their families (wives, children, grandchildren etc.)
His Books and Laws
The Companions or disciples of any of the Messengers
Any other religious practices, personalities, places, items etc which are not stated in the above points, and are deemed sensitive by other members or the moderators.
will not be tolerated. Showing any disrespect towards them is *not **acceptable under any circumstances.
1. *Any posts that contain deliberately distorted and/or misinterpreted material may be removed. This will be at the discretion of the moderators.
[/QUOTE]
Your thread Hazrat Omer was not aimed at anything but to defame him and insut him. Not only this you followed your post with links that had similar inciteful material and its obvious that your post is taken from those sites. SO you violated a number of rules
1- your post is plagiarised, rewording material from another article is also plagiarism.
2- its propaganda without any constructive discussion
3- its aim is to defame Hz Omer
4- it incites sectarianism
You are well aware that another member Alijaan was banned for similar posts, the reason behind that was not that he copy pasted material coz we can remove such posts with one click, it was coz he too inciting sectarianism wihtout any constructive discussion.
The post of DD highlights the problem that we are trying to avoid that is a tit for tat slinging match between different sects and for that reaon not too long ago GS had completely banned any discussion on shia sunni differences whatsoever for a period of time.
Now on a personal level i can answer the accusations that you have posted but then people like you will keep digging up material and putting up here answer this or answer that and someone else will come and lay the same thing on you, bringing materials from your books and ask answer this and answer that.
Please let me show where several other shia guppies have warned you about it:
She had to point this out because you made the following statement:
Isn’t this a violaton of the following you quoted above:
specifically any posts containing defamation of, insults, ridicule or making a mockery of:
Didn’t you make mockery of her beliefs by calling it crap?
Post by Paglu speaks for itself.
Please can show me where did I plagarized my post from… I have said before and would say again… The only thing I have copy / pasted is the hadith and the ayat of Quran… besides that all of the rest of the post is my personal views.. Even the hadith I quoted I back up with the hadith refernce, and quranic ayat numbers… which is allowed in the first policy of the forum incae you missed it Please see below:
All articles posted must include a reference, whether they have been taken from websites, books or any other sources. We encourage members to use relevant parts of the article and then provide the link to the whole article.
If the article is your own original thought, please state clearly (either on top of the article or at the bottom)
Go and read my post all the hadith had references followed by my views.
I would really appreciate if you could prove the accusations you just made … rather than playing on with the game of lame excuses… For God Sake you are moderating religous forum atlest be a man to stand by your words…
I would be highly obliged if you can back up your arguments.. Look at the post I initially stated… I pointed out the instances where you have been abusing your moderation rights… Please me kind enough to do so.. than just going on with the game of accusations with no back up arguments.
Let me ask you again what I have been asking for so long…Is copy / pasting hadith’s and ayat of Quran allowed or not? If so what other stuff are you accusing me of plagarizing.
Go and read it again Mr. I used some references to have a discussion and even pointed out why is it important… and tried to learn other views on it as you have mentioned the following:
Please note - We seek to learn more about other religions, and promote accurate and productive discussions in this pursuit.
If you please take out your glasses of biasm… and read by post with a cool and unbiased mind. I quoted some ayats of Quran and than gave a narration of Sahih books… and asked how people justify these acts… Now are you trying to say Sahih Booksare defaming Hz Omer??? because thats all I did.. I was curious in people views on it.. I would think you can accuse me of defaming Hz Umar if I would have cursed him out.. started bashing him or so on so forth.. incase if you want goahead and read the last part of my first post.
All I was trying to have is a discussion based on narrations in Sahih books and in the light of Quran…
Yeah another bunch of excuses… You have been accusing me of stuff without even defending any. Secondly, go and read the same thread again… and tell me how many of the policies you have quoted above did Ibne Sadique violated… and please point them out .. I would really appreciate that.. It is the same thread and yet you have issue with me and not him
Be honest and tell me you have not been biased. Umar, Ibne Sadique have posted so much and you did not complain but you had problem with me for just quoting hadith’s?
So are you telling me thing thread has been going on for days you have been replying on it and didnot notice the whole thing is a copy / paste… the opening post speaks out for itself… You sure are doing a great job moderation.
Re: Iconoclast the biased Religon Moderator ! ! ! ! !
Texan_Dude, please allow me to review the situation that has arised. For the time being, i am closing the thread temporarily, but i will be in touch with you via PM. Please remain patient as i look at the entire scenario, and rest assured that we will reach a decision that is agreeable to all. You will be contacted in a timely manner.
Thanks for your patience and understanding.
Edit: Check you PM as well please. Thread closed for the moment, but will be reopened.
@ 249 poster