Agreed.
This was the worst world cup
zimbabwe and kenya are lucky only bcuz some teams are not coming to their country! what the hell! Also the weather… raining, cloudy bla bla… west indies got 2 points against bangladesh of raining…
and same thing happened with Pakistan…
this isn’t fair
i hope next world is BETTER then this one:mad:
Asif_K
The complaint is not about Pakistan but Kenya and Zim. NZ would've kicked Kenya's ass if they played. And England would've done the same to Zim. Some very different teams would be going to Super Six if it was not for the boycotts.
ICC has again proved itself to be a very primitive governing body and sadly its going to continue for a while. The choatic pool placements prove that there is no real think tank involved behind the organization of the WC. I understand there are always financial restrictions involved but there are always ways of micromanaging event of such grandiose scale so that they dont reflect bias.....other sports governing bodies have been doing it for years. Their match forfeit policies are the main concern here and are the laughing stock of the entire sports world since they are way to leniant on the culprit team. NZ is the only team in any form of sports that could have still made it this far after completly refusing to participate in an organized event of a structured tournament......in any other sport they would have been shipped home.
The WC 2007 is already planned for summer and again will suffer since both the US southeast coast and the Carribean get bombarded by tropical storms between may and august......unless they plan covered fixtures which i highly doubt unless its in US. Not that it will stop me from heading down to florida to check out a kick ass cricket match....how sweet will that feel? ;)
The boycott's hurt SA and England respectively. Assuming NZ had played and beaten Kenya and England had beaten Zimbabwe, then SA would have gone thorugh instead of Kenya and England would have gone through instead of Zimbabwe. England boycotted so serves them right. The only team that you can feel sorry for is SA.
But there is another question, had NZ played kenya what would have been teh result. How can anyone be so sure. I am certain that 100% here would have said that SL would have beaten Kenya if SL had boycotted the game. Reality is different. Kenya has beaten test teams like WI, India and SL. So anything is possible. While the chances of NZ beating Kenya were high, they were by no means absolutely certain.
I think where they have messed up is on this carrying the points from preliminary rounds and not having at least one reserve day for rain effected matches.
Kenya may have the ability to pull of one upset but not 2. South Africa lost because they played badly. They lost the first encounter against Windies fair and square. They bowled extremely badly against New Zealand and paid the price. And there was no guarentee that they were going to win this one against Sri Lanka as well.
The only team I feel sorry for is West Indies. Not only Kenya took their spot but they also left out because of the rain against Bangladesh, had they won, Kenya would have been out.
Now check this out, SL lost to Kenya by 53 runs. SL's NRR went down.
NZ forfeited match Kenya. NZ's NRR UNAFFECTED!. Not fair with SL or any other team in the tournament.
Can you imagine had it boiled down to NRR for Super Six advancement and SL would have missed it because of the 53 run deficit.
This ICC WC committee is a joke to say the least.
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Asif_K
The complaint is not about Pakistan but Kenya and Zim. NZ would've kicked Kenya's ass if they played. And England would've done the same to Zim. Some very different teams would be going to Super Six if it was not for the boycotts.
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Kareem, Of course it is about Pakistan because you just said had it not been for boycotts, different team would have gone to Super Six. Which is the other team in Group A PAKISTAN, No ??
Tell me, Is it Zim or Kenya's fault that Eng and NZ didn't play their games ?? How can you be so sure that England was going to beat Zimbabwe or NZ was going to kick Kenya's A$$ ?? Stop making assumptions. Why dont you get one thing straight -
Pakistan was no. 2 team in Group A and they should have beaten England, India & Zimbabwe to reach Super Six, They beat none, so they are out.
SA was the No.1 team in Group B - they should have beaten NZ,WI,SL to reach the Super Six, They beat none, So they are out. Common, SA was in the race only because of rain (WI-BD match Otherwise they were out long back)
Only team which was unlucky was WI and they also had a chance against Sri Lanka, but they didn't play well, so they are out too.
FG - ICC is a joke no doubt about that, but I dont think it could have controled the outcome of matches. SA,PAK,WI,ENG didn't play well and they are out. Kenya played well against Lanka and other matches they are in.
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The only team that you can feel sorry for is SA.
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I dont think SA deserved to be the Super six - they lost all their important games against NZ, SL & WI. If by winning against Kenya, BD & Canada makes them a deserving candidate for super Six then I am sure Kenya deserves it as much as them.
If we cant accept the fact that Kenya has qualified for the Super Six and believe that World Cup is no more interesting then I think there is no point in having this world cup tournament and having BD, Canada, Holland, Kenya, Namibia participate in it.
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Lastly - what is the point in cribbing about the rules now, every country agreed to play on those terms so why crib now ? Would you have cared or cribbed so much If Pakistan had reached super six ?
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You can keep crying that our complaint is because Pakistan didn't reach Super Six. True to some extent, but reality is that we wouldn't have enough time to discuss these issues, now that we have time we are doing it. Otherwise, if Pakistan didn't reach Super Six, its because they deserve to be where they are, simple as that. You can still keep crying that our complaint is because Pak didn't reach Super 6, its upto you.
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Is it the fault of Kenya and Zimbabwe that NZ & England didn't go to those countries to play ? are you telling me that NZ & England should have been awarded the point for those games ??
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What about South Africa and WI? If NZL had gone to Kenya, couldn't the result be different? Its fine that England were denied 4 points, they should suffer the consequences.
No penalty on NRR when one forfeits a match??
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What If it rained the next day ? or the day after or the whole week ? Are you suggesting that we should not abandon such matches ?? Buddy go and read the history of world cup before you ever come here start questioning those rules....
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There can be several "ifs and buts", but "if" forecast for the reserve day is clear, then why not host the rain affected day on the reserve day? There can be several rules added/modified.
well, i think that all the boycotting business is nonsense. NZ players were so concrened about their security that they decided to forfeit their matche in kenya. but then they find no security problem in going to a pub and getting into a fight. that is not cricket. sorry for SA and Eng.
England desevered what they got(they shudnt hav boycotted that match)...wel as for SA and WI they got Ali Bacher to blame, no reserve dayz....and da lucky NZ they shud hav got knocked like ENG for not playin Kenya!!!
Look likes Kenya already thro to the semi-finals only need 2 points! wit no resvere dayz thats very likely!!!
Go On Kenya...Odumbe,
Mdumbe,Kdumbe,Adumbe or wateve their names r, no 1 even knows who they R!!
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well, i think that all the boycotting business is nonsense. NZ players were so concrened about their security that they decided to forfeit their matche in kenya. but then they find no security problem in going to a pub and getting into a fight. that is not cricket. sorry for SA and Eng.
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Can you blame the Kiwis for not going to Kenya? Especially after what happened last year in Karachi which resulted in the games being played in neutral grounds - all because of Security issues. NZ evaluated the situation and forefeited the points to Kenya knowing that this could possibly mean missing out on Super Sixes - they took the chance rather than risk their lives. As a player I too would have boycotted if my life was in danger.
South Africa just didn't perform when it mattered most, so no symapthy for them.
MM
P.S. Don't know which pubs you frequent but it sounds like they are rough!
Here is another gem from Mr. Latif, He thinks the format of this tournament is bad and was the main reason Pakistan and some other teams were not able to reach super six.
"I think the format applied in the 1992 World Cup was the best. You got a chance to play against all other teams. And the* best team always had the chance to come back even if its form was not good in the early stages.**:hehe: In that format there was no chance for the weaker teams to progress forward unless they played extraordinarily well," he pointed out. “But in this format, what has happened is that due to points being forfeited before the tournament started and due to no reserve days for the rain, teams have faced plenty of bad luck and were not able to make amends for poor performances.”*
Now, Didn’t we have a similar format in 1999, We didn’t hear anything from Mr. Latif then ?? And how much time Mr. Latif wants ?? One year for his team to come back ?? Why does he not realize that his team was not able to win a single match against Important teams.
Here is more :- “Tell me, does Kenya deserve to be in the Super Six at the cost of South Africa. Okay, Pakistan and England didn’t play well in the crunch games, but still the format didn’t help us at all.”
And why Kenya doesn’t deserve a place in super six ?? It beat Sri Lanka and NZ, top two teams in its group, Didn’t it ? Otoh SA lost all its major games against WI,SL,NZ, They didn’t deserve a place in Super Six.
Anyways here is more and funniest of his comments :-
“Today’s match was so crucial but because of bad weather we didn’t get our final chance to redeem ourselves and comeback in the tournament.”
Is Rashid telling us that at 73/3 with top 3 batsman back in pavillion his team had a chance ?? Only team that was going to benefit after that game was England.
Asif, did you watch the match against Zimbabwe? I did and with the moisture under the covers after the rain the ball was leaping and swinging a fair old bit, so 70-3 wasn't as bad as you might think.
David Houghton (ex-NZ international) was the studio guest of SKY Sports and he was $hitting his pants at the prospect of facing Pakistan's attack on that wicket. He reckoned our guys were capable of shooting out Zimbabwe for about 60 runs on that wicket and believe me he was literally sweating live on camera at the prospect.
You still needed to put up 250 on board, Do you think Pak would have been able to do that looking at the conditions and form of its batsmen ? I am sure your answer is going to be YES.
Yeah yeah, heard that many times..how Indians wil $hit in their pants when Shoaib bowls to them..We all saw who was ****ting… And BTW David Houghton is not an ex NZ international, He is an ex Zim 
, Tells a lot about your cricket knowledge and silly comments you have been making off late
Yeah, exactly like the Indian,Australians and English were sweating…that must have been a sight to watch..
That's right he was Zimbabwean. I knew there was a reason he was sweating.
Thanks for clarifying that Asif :)
These statement issues by Latif arent going to get him anywhere...but attract more heat form the pak fans back home who know better the reasons why the team is back home. They all need to grow some balls and say that we sucked and thats why we are out, that way they dont insult the intelligence of pak fans and would be treated better if they just admit the truth.
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All this sounds like sour grapes to me. Would these messages/comments have been posted IF pakistan had qualified for the Super 6s... or is this just a coincidence, eh?
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I say we are out for good!
But that doesn't make the ICC decisions and the Cricket rules any better.
They suck! PERIOD!
The pitch that NZL - AUS played on today was pathetic. It is like pudding. Not worthy of a WC match - or any international match. I agree that pitches should have variation and teams must adapt, but this is just ridiculous. It is like asking tennis players to play on a wet court.
What the fack is ICC doing ruining the WC like this.