Pakistan, first of all, has given India a severe blow in all wars. I heard a U.S. General (Ret.) say that the Pakistani Air Force is "top-notch" and that it is "among the best in the world." Indeed, he said that the PAF hasd better planes (F-16s, F-7s, F-3, Mirage-IIIs, and so on) and they were much better maintained.
Also, here in the U.S., one of the major concerns of people who have studied PAF and IAF is that Pakistan could very easily - almost witewash - India's airbases and nuclear arsenal. This will become easier if India starts a war during the monsoon - and who knows those idiots were threatening to - because Indians tanks and military vehicels (personnel) could not move in heavy rains.
So, to India, I say one thing: Don't think that you "won" the wars because your government told you to. Think on your own. Think about the facts.
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Originally posted by king_sal:
**Pakistan, first of all, has given India a severe blow in all wars. I heard a U.S. General (Ret.) say that the Pakistani Air Force is "top-notch" and that it is "among the best in the world." Indeed, he said that the PAF hasd better planes (F-16s, F-7s, F-3, Mirage-IIIs, and so on) and they were much better maintained.
Also, here in the U.S., one of the major concerns of people who have studied PAF and IAF is that Pakistan could very easily - almost witewash - India's airbases and nuclear arsenal. This will become easier if India starts a war during the monsoon - and who knows those idiots were threatening to - because Indians tanks and military vehicels (personnel) could not move in heavy rains.
So, to India, I say one thing: Don't think that you "won" the wars because your government told you to. Think on your own. Think about the facts.**
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Again.
You either give neutral, verifiable links or shut up.
Please inform us of how we lost 3 wars?
As far as I know, it was ended with a stalemate the first three times. I dont know what your talking about. 71 war you won because we were surounded on all sides.
The other two wars, we embarrased your stupid Indian butts by taking large chunk of you land despite being outnumbered 1 to 3.
You either give neutral, verifiable links or shut up.
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We gave you links before, I gave you one from Brian Coughley.
But you in turn said he was a Pakistani Chamcha and doesn't count as reliable. So who should put up and who whould shut up?
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Originally posted by mufakkar: so say what would be neutral? Sites that say India won three wars and is the greatest democracy? Define what you mean by neutral?
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Any western source who has not had any links with Indian or Pak fauj.
Brian Cloughey is a guy who lives for a while in Pakistan and wrote the book "The History of Pak army".
I asked for "neutral", not "Gora". I too have some very India friendly Goras...**
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That link was from BBC. The BBC thought he was neutral enough to print his article. You said that you only accpet articles form BBC OR CNN... Well, this just shows that you only accept writers who defend India and bad mouth Pakistan with or without credibility. All those that even offer a single shred of FACT that supports something that Indians DONT want to hear, is a Pakistahi "chamcha".
Cant blame you for being typical..
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Originally posted by Adnan Ahmed:
** That link was from BBC. The BBC thought he was neutral enough to print his article. You said that you only accpet articles form BBC OR CNN... Well, this just shows that you only accept writers who defend India and bad mouth Pakistan with or without credibility. All those that even offer a single shred of FACT that supports something that Indians DONT want to hear, is a Pakistahi "chamcha".
Cant blame you for being typical..**
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If I give you a link in a Western media by an indian, will you accept?
You either give neutral, verifiable links or shut up.
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A general who has made the same point is
is Gen.Horner, I have posted that before and I know you read it because you commented on it, trying to make sorry excuses.
Here it is again because I know you 'conveniently' forget all military experts(as opposede to arm chair generals) who say Pak has better forces than India.
**Gen. Chuck Horner of the United States Air Force (USAF) and Commander of Allied Forces in the 1991 Gulf War in his biography by Tom Clancy, Every Man A Tiger:
"Pakistan has one of the best, most combat ready air forces in the world. They have to, their neighbour to the east is huge, and the two nations have a long history of hostilities. For Indian war planners, the Pakistan Air Force is their worst fear. Pakistani pilots are respected throughout the world, especially the Islamic world, because they know how to fly and fight".**
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Originally posted by RealDeal:
** A general who has made the same point is
is Gen.Horner, I have posted that before and I know you read it because you commented on it, trying to make sorry excuses.
Here it is again because I know you 'conveniently' forget all military experts(as opposede to arm chair generals) who say Pak has better forces than India.
Gen. Chuck Horner of the United States Air Force (USAF) and Commander of Allied Forces in the 1991 Gulf War in his biography by Tom Clancy, Every Man A Tiger:
"Pakistan has one of the best, most combat ready air forces in the world. They have to, their neighbour to the east is huge, and the two nations have a long history of hostilities. For Indian war planners, the Pakistan Air Force is their worst fear. Pakistani pilots are respected throughout the world, especially the Islamic world, because they know how to fly and fight".
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This guy spent time with Pak Army and AF so he will try to push up his friends. But are there any facts? I don;t see any.