I will "stand by the dictator who tortured me"

i don’t think anyone on this forum understands why anyone would argue that to support a war on Iraq will most likely further isolate the people of Iraq. These people need to know that “we” are on “their” side, that we’re not lumping them with a brutal dictator. But anyways, here it is in the more articulate words of a half-Iraqi, half-Kurdish British lady.

Bombs will deepen Iraq’s nightmare, Haifa Zangana (novelist and painter)
17 September 2002, The Guardian

I am an Iraqi British woman (half-Kurdish, half-Arab). I have lived in Britain since 1976. I can’t go back to Iraq because, like many Iraqis, I was imprisoned and tortured. When I was released I was haunted by human howls of pain and memories of the dead.

Once in London, I could hardly believe I was safe in a democratic country. The day that I first exercised my right to vote was one of the happiest of my life. On election day 1979, I was up at 5am. I was the first to vote that day. I voted Labour. The Conservatives won.

The massacre of Halabja in 1988 went unnoticed here. Iraq was then the darling of the west. Iraq fought the west’s war with Iran, to protect their interests and ensure a free market for oil. But this was Mrs Thatcher’s government, which supported friendly dictators and normalised relations with military regimes.

In 1990, the Iraqi regime occupied Kuwait, and the US and UK decided Saddam had breached his contract of employment. In January 1991, hell was unleashed against the Iraqi people. The bombing lasted 43 days, destroyed many civilian targets and massacred tens of thousands of defenceless conscripts. Iraqis were shocked and confused: it seemed bizarre to punish them for the crimes of their persecutors.

Confusion turned to numbness when people discovered they were to be subject to one of the most comprehensive campaigns of economic sanctions in modern history. On December 6 1995, I sent an A4 padded envelope to my nieces and nephews in Mosul. It contained one pencil case, three erasers, three sharpeners, six fountain pens, two markers, one glue-stick and two Biros. It was marked “gift for children”. The envelope was returned, stamped: “Due to international sanctions against Iraq, we are not able to forward your packet.” But that was under John Major.

In 1997, the Labour party was at last elected, and Robin Cook declared the government’s foreign policy to be “ethical”. I applauded. But what has the restoration of hope brought? Continuing sanctions, for a start, which has meant starvation, death and intellectual stagnation. The bombing of Iraq has never stopped either. The USAF and RAF have been bombing civilians almost daily since December 1998; 144 civilians were killed in raids in 1999 alone. For the rest, life in Iraq goes on, as hard as ever.

Here are some paragraphs from two personal letters. The first, from a relative: “We women spend most of our time doing what our grandmothers used to do: we are staying home, sieving flour, baking bread, preparing and storing tomato puree and raising chickens.”

The next, from a friend: “Let me share a laugh with you. As Selma, my wife, was being wheeled out of the operating theatre, the doctor handed me two things: a long prescription and, what else, do you think? Selma’s uterus! I had to go find the medicine as soon as possible, and also to take the uterus to a private lab for a biopsy. It was the start of a 20-hour madman’s journey around Baghdad.”

So how do I now find myself standing by Iraq’s dictatorial regime, while Tony Blair presents himself as the defender of both democracy and the Iraqi people? For decades, it was the other way around. Iraqis were not only resisting the oppressive regime, they were sacrificing their lives for change long before the occupation of Kuwait. They appealed for help from western governments. Their request was: stop supplying the Ba’ath regime with weapons. Nobody listened.

It’s 2001: election time again. I hesitated, but still voted Labour. What choice did I have? Now the US is pushing for a massive assault on Iraq, and Blair is one of the few leaders willing to offer troops. Can it be true that the man I voted for is now preparing to “liberate” Iraq, in the same way he liberated Afghanistan, by ensuring the death of thousands of civilians? Is it true that he is relying on the Iraqi National Congress, a group set up in the early 90s with CIA help, and now funded by the State Department? Does he know that they are loathed by most Iraqis?

You are “either with us or against us”, they say. As an Iraqi that means choosing between war and the dictator. To be on the side of the oppressed does not mean we are unaware of the complexity of the situation. To campaign for the lifting of sanctions, for an end to the paralysing bombardment and daily threat of war is to stand by the Iraqi people; it is that policy which will help them to change the oppressive regime. Any change should be initiated from within Iraq, not imposed by Bush or Blair.

When I hear Tony Blair speak on Iraq, I am reminded of my old landlady, who asked me, politely, in the late 1970s, about home. I explained a little about the government there and how it doesn’t give a damn about people. She listened attentively then, in a nice, gentle way, said: “Next time, don’t vote for him dear.”

Great post Nadia. How many posts have I read blaming all the misery and ills of the Iraqi people on the West and especially the Americans. Very few statements on Saddam and his setup that is using the misery of his people to keep himself in power. There is no choice at the moment. He is going to have to go. And I am glad that Bush is taking the hard line that he is. I hope it does not come to actually bombing, but I suspect that it will.

Great article...as always:)

>>>There is no choice at the moment. He is going to have to go. And I am glad that Bush is taking the hard line that he is. I hope it does not come to actually bombing, but I suspect that it will.<<<

And if it did come to bombing would you still be glad?

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*Originally posted by Girl from Quraysh: *
Great article...as always:)

>>>There is no choice at the moment. He is going to have to go. And I am glad that Bush is taking the hard line that he is. I hope it does not come to actually bombing, but I suspect that it will.<<<

And if it did come to bombing would you still be glad?
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No I will not be glad, but I expect it is going to be necessary. Many people may like to wring their hands and get frozen into inactivity, but I am glad the American psychology does not work that way. Near overwhelming opinion on this forum a year ago was to let the Taliban in place and keep wringing ones hands about how they were lying and sheltering Al-Qaeda. I am glad Bush took them out. And I hope he eliminates the set up in Iraq that keeps threatening the world with chemical and biological wepons (and maybe nuclear wepons). Saddam has used such wepons against his own people. Saddam has allowed his citizens to starve and suffer for the last 12 years. Saddam came to power by assassinating all of his opponents. Saddam has used the wealth of Iraq as his personal kitty fund. If the sanctions over the last 12 years did not work, then it is time for some other way to proceed.

What's the solution here? I agree 100% that these dictators are supported and loved by the west as long as they serve their purpose & then are replaced by another one who suits their needs. But what to do with the situation at hand? What to do with Saddam?

The lady gives a good simple picture of her worries but yet like many of the opposes of war lacks a suggestion as to what can be done to make things right?

I think the point she is making is if this needed to be done, it needed to be done regardless of Sep 11. Why not 10 yrs ago when he had the same capabilities as now?

As for solutions without war, well how about lifting sanctions and resuming trade with Saddam? Other countries have been happy to do so and Saddam would more than love to carry on in power under those circumstances. Would he be a threat to neighbours? Not unless he's suicidal. Should he be removed for being a tyrant? Yes - but then he should have been removed for those reasons twenty years ago and he was instead supported.

There is no moral dimension here. He needs to be removed because the US and Israel need to see that there is no military power other than Israel in the Middle East. That's understandable given their slant, but there's no need to beat about the bush. Other than to soothe the conscience of a public that doesn't feel comfortable about toppling regimes selectively.

Judge Mentull,
Thank you. You explained it far better than i am able to. Thank you.

Saddam has used such wepons against his own people. Old Lahori, please don't state that without adding the responsibility we ALL share - France, Belgium, UK, and US were quite happy to supply him those weapons. Saddam has allowed his citizens to starve and suffer for the last 12 years. Please elaborate on this; pre-sanctions, Iraq was one of the most advanced countries in the Middle East. If anyone has allowed civilians in Iraq to die for want of food and potable water, then it's our (mine included manifestly) western governments, not Hussein. Saddam came to power by assassinating all of his opponents. And the US also accepted this during the 1980s; why didn't we take him out then? ** Saddam has used the wealth of Iraq as his personal kitty fund.** Iraq was one of the most developed countries - vis-a-vis healthcare, technology, and literature - in the Middle East.

(Realize this is a rushed answer, i'm sorry, just don't have much time at the moment to write a proper reply).

Nadia,
regardless of how I feel or not, Saddam is history. The reason after 9/11 is that USA is not the same country. All the countries in the Middle East are going to be affected one way or another. There is going to be a lot more democracy and a lot more education introduced into the area, and the power of the Mullha is going to be curtailed. Now you can feel all the pain and guilt about it, but changes are going to take place. Americans veiw themselves at war, that they expect to last quite a few decades, somewhere around 7 to 10 decades. If UN moves and lives upto its responsibility fine. If not then I hope US will find out who its allies are and should and most likely will move unilaterally. I think when push comes to shove, the canadians will stand by the Americans. That should give you, a canadian, more to feed your guilt.

Your concern for me is touching, Old Lahori, but i have quite enough to “feed my guilt” already. How about i worry about my guilt for being a citizen of a govt. involved in war crimes, and you worry about your guilt for your government’s actions. To each her own, hm?

**There is going to be a lot more democracy and a lot more education introduced into the area, and the power of the Mullha is going to be curtailed. **
Does this democracy apply for the Saudis as well? Can i expect that non Muslims will be given full rights to worship as they please, out in the open, whenever they choose to? Will the US topple the Saudi government for committing human rights violations against its own citizens (Amnesty report, Saudi Arabia Secret state of suffering). Democracy for the region, eh - does Bush have his targets on the Sheikh Zayeds, Hosni Mubaraks, al Sauds and al Sabahs? Last time i checked, none of them has ever held a wholly fair and free election during their respective reigns. So while we’re at toppling Hussein (and have not even determined whom to replace him with), let’s topple the entire Middle Eastern political set-up and replace those old stooges with new ones. i am sure that will contribute fabulously to global stability.

Here is an article by BB. I agree with a lot she says. Again what I personally feel is totally irrelevant. I am simply stating what the situation on the ground is. I am sorry if you took offense to anything I said. I appreciate and welcome your concerns for humanity. Again let me emphasise the world changed for America, and since it has the power at the present moment in history it will use it to change the world. Americans are not cogitators, they will act. The world can work with them, and I hope they do so every one can live safely and peacefully, or the world can choose to work against the Americans. In that event as BB points out we are in for a ride.


http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/today/editor/opi3.htm


On that fateful day, the world tumbled out of a time when Communism was the threat, the fear, the bloc that was to be contained. The world tumbled into a different period when Islam and the Muslim nations seemingly replaced Communism as the new threat, the new fear and the new world that was to be contained.
In the one year since the world shook with the shock of America attacked, much has changed. Civil liberties suffered a set back. Many Muslims in America live in terror of being hauled up on suspicion and taken away. Some Muslims shaved their beards and changed their attire to avoid hate crimes.

One year ago the Iraqi regime of President Saddam was isolated. Today it has rejoined the Arab World in a Summit held earlier this year in Lebanon. At the summit, embraces replaced distances.
President Bush has repeatedly stated that his goal is to pre-empt danger to the world community through regime change in Iraq. Most in the Muslim world remain unconvinced. Many see an attack on Iraq presaging a wider attack against an array of Muslim countries including possibly Iran, Syria, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt and eventually Pakistan.
Today the intellectual opinion in the Muslim and non-Muslim world may be on a collision course. Many intellectuals in the United States see the Arab/Muslim countries as failed nations that gave birth to evil men who could plan the cold blooded murder of three thousand innocents in New York and Washington.

Today America is the world’s sole superpower. It has little need of any other country in planning an action or taking a measure to defend itself and the security of its people. The rest of the world must acquiesce, in practical terms, irrespective of whether it agrees. But America is a democracy that believes in the politics of consensus. Unilateralism runs contrary to the most basic US trait that flourished since its founding fathers gave birth to the new nation.
The righteousness of the American cause leads it down the tempting road of unilateral action. One year later, the need to prevent it from turning into a clash of civilizations and religions is also righteous. The concept of collective security was the anchor of a world when Communism was the great threat. It must continue to be the anchor now that the danger from Islamic countries seems to have replaced Communism as the great threat.
Having tumbled from one age to another in the blink of an eye as the huge fireball engulfed the Trade Towers, the time has come to pause and reflect. Without a shared security mechanism and the definition of terrorism, the world could actually find itself in a holy war between Islam and the West. It is a war that no one wants-except the extremists.

The story of Iraq has three sides, possibly; US propaganda, Iraqi propaganda and the actual truth. As usual, the truth is buried under the first two catagories. Criticism is revisionist history done in real time.

Old Lahori, please allow me to apologize. i was out of line with my 'guilt' comment, i thought you said it meanly but i clearly misunderstood and overreacted. It was totally uncalled for on my part and my error deriving from my stupidity. And i am sorry.

While it is articulate, what i disagree with regarding BB's article is that she adopts a fatalistic pov... so the US is the world's superpower now, we must lie back and accept that it will do as it wants. Then she goes on to state that it is the "anchor" of security and stability in this world; i am sorry i cannot agree with this. IMHO, and i could be wrong manifestly, no anchor of stability would condone endorsement of multiple dictators (Pinochet, our Arab pals), war criminals (Pinochet, Sharon); no anchor would be a silent witness to massacres (Sabra/Shatila, Rwanda, Halabja).

Indeed. There are three sides to this issue as Tomasso states. i would not want to purchase either side's propaganda; my heart is always with the innocent people especially children and elderly of Iraq, not with any government. It's always they who suffer the most; as that African proverb goes, "When elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers."

Judge & Nadia,

I understand that if sanctions are lifted & trade is resumed it will help the Iraqi people. And there have been notorious dictators who have in the past lived on with no eminent danger to the world as long as their own hold on power is secure.

My concern is that if 10 years down the road another Haifa writes an article on how her people were finally going to get rid of Saddam & for once the US was going to do something good (regardless of what intention) but it was the international community let them down ... than what will be our answer to them?

Nadia,

If you look at Thomas Friedman's column in NYtimes today, you will see that Americans are not all that clear why Bush and crew has decided to take Saddam on. I think there are multiple of reasons, each one of them has a little bit of downside to it. What judgeMentull says is partially true, and I think that is one of the reasons. The other one might be that if US has to talk turkey with our friends the Saudis with no punches pulled then it would be nice to know that Iraqi oil is somewhat under control. I think the virulent Wahhabism that Saudis have been spreading across the globe, including Pakistan, has to stop. It has done the most damage to Pakistan in my opinion. I think relations with the house of Saud are going to undergo a sea change in good time, and there is little that can stop that. Similarly, part of the reason might be to start introducing modernisation into the middle east, and what better place to start than Iraq where people have traditionally been more secular and modern than most of the arab countries. The list of reasons easily includes four or five more items, including delaying of WMD acquisition, but the point is that all of them put togather make it irresitable for US to act right now. Given my limited understanding, I personally support Bush's plan to remove Saddam. I think it is in the best interest of US to see a regime change in Iraq.