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*Originally posted by Shikra: *
Conclusion and the point of the thread: I do whatever I say and whatever I can't do, I never say it. That's why it bothers me when people keep saying one thing their whole life and when time comes, they do something completely opposite. "Baaton k shair
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Priorities change and tastes change. Opinions and circumstances are never static. Why should that bug you.
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*Originally posted by irem: *
KAB, i think if i see someone doing something which i consider bad, i have every right to say that i think that person is doing something bad...we are no one to say that that person is a bad Muslim or going to hell....but i think we have and should condemn a wrong act if we see it happenning coz in Islam we are supposed to condemn a wrong action...ofcourse it should be done in a way not to hurt the other person if u r talking to that person...
but in public i think i have every right to say that if a person does act X that act is wrong...doesnt mean i am judging the person or condemning them to hell, ofcourse, coz i got no right to do that
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I think you talking from a highorse in every other post is bad. I think you dragging in religion to validate your opinions is bad. I believe you not recognising poeple as human firstly and then as muslims< is bad.
I think intolerance is bad.
I think you projecting your need for attention at times onto religion is bad.
I do however think you ave a brilliant handle upon the english language and not only that but some of your posts make chuckle greatly.
That is good.
Imperfection has no right to jugde.
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*Originally posted by 50-B: *
A wise person on here told me never say never :p
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very ture :)
okie 
so how’s the studying going hiccie? 
i remember your thread in general…the I WILL STUDY one…
I really don't understand this thread. Its like you're all speaking Bulgarian.
yaar shikra, is quite apparent that its being forced onto her, which makes the thread totally invalid cos she still sticks by her opinions, but the parents are forcing it on her and shes still caring enough not to run away and be rebellious and is giving in to her parents wishes,
and if shes marrying by her own choice… well? wats wrong with that?? i might say hay i wont marry a gorri maim, but who knows a couple of years later i fall in love and the whole scenario and the midset changes, so she’s changed her opinions and is now marrying by her own choice…
in both cases… i see no point in this thread, dont really know wat ur trying to say…
and i think i,m not the only one missing the point here… cos there really isnt one… its just ur dil ki bharaas or something…
and mate, wat u did up there IS called judging. u made her out to be a total s.l.u.t. she might still be a better muslim than u are. who are u to be carrying 100 percent ‘proofs’ about her private life? I have nothing against u, so dont take anything personal. i,m already impressed by ur unfobness :k:
I can't help but agree with hiccup and KAB. Opinions, tastes, choices keep changing. And even if they haven't changed, circumstances make you do things you never imagined. And I think the girl is being forced into the marriage coz her affair came to parents attention. Shikra, when you are 100% sure the girl was shagging only because you saw her french kiss( what if they kissed to only make you leave and then sat back and watched a movie :p ), you should be 110% sure she is being forced into the marriage coz you know parents found out about her.
Shikra, don't be so sure you are going to stick by every word you have said in your life, You will be surprised how you change over time. And everybody changes on some scale.
all this talk with ‘judge’ being flung in every face by every person involved. life has a way of casting lessons out to everyone who wishes to see them. you can either learn through them or choose to ignore them.
‘imperfection has no right to judge’? you’re in complete intellectual stasis if you think that deeming anything right and wrong is wrong/ beyond your intellect. look at that for a second and you’ll figure it out. Some things are right and some are wrong even if within the purvey of your judgement, beginning with that gem of a line, which happens to be wrong.
So one with the judgementalism.
Shikra, only slighted pride motivates one to gloat over another’s percieved misfortune the way you did. I believe masked under the gleeful exterior that announces how much fun its been having to the world sits a very sad, very alone, very dejected fob. No matter how much fun you’ve had in your life, there was a fob inside you who kept on saying.. ‘what about me?’. this is where you get.
As a fellow fob, I must take the time now to thoroughly ridicule the lady in question. not. we too have our gentlemen 
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At the same time, sleeping around remains highly immoral and unislamic in my eyes. Hopefully marrying a good honest hardworking literate blue blooded typical fob would help things much :k:
Ahhh, so you’ve changed too. How could you 
I love FOB’s :love:
interestingly, given a bounded amount of memory, it is mathematically impossible to devise an algorithm to search through the entire space of alternatives without revisiting a previously discarded alternative. (unless we use an exhaustive method)
Speak in English!!!
matlab since its mathematically impossible to not revisit discarded ideas (assuming certain search models) theres a fairly good chance everyone modifies his worldview as we explore life unless one knows everything.
And Im supposed to be an English teacher.Somebody help!
i have one oppurtunity to force computer science into a real life discussion without sounding like a complete geek and you ruin it for me 
Ufffffffff…so much to read 
I skimmed throuh all this.
Kaka That’s true only Allah knows who’s a good Muslim and who’s not BUT I have a question:
If you have one person on one hand who has sex with every girl he sees, drinks, curses, doesn’t say namaz often,and does every bad thing possible and then there’s another person who does NOT do all this and read namaz etc., who in your opinion is bettere here? I know Person A (doing bad things) may be better in Allah’s eyes, but from a human point of view, who is better? Person A or B?
And no, it’s not called judging. Can you please define what judging is. I am not ‘making’ her sound like a slut, but if she DOES do all the things I described above, then it’s a fact, not judging IMHO. Please define what exactly judging is 
You do realise that the art of communication lies not in using long words and flamboyantly over complicating a simple issue, but rather cutting through the bull and being able to articulate complex subjects simply and consisely, no?
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*Originally posted by Shikra: *
Ufffffffff............so much to read :grumpy :
I skimmed throuh all this.
Kaka That's true only Allah knows who's a good Muslim and who's not BUT I have a question:
If you have one person on one hand who has sex with every girl he sees, drinks, curses, doesn't say namaz often,and does every bad thing possible and then there's another person who does NOT do all this and read namaz etc., who in your opinion is bettere here? I know Person A (doing bad things) may be better in Allah's eyes, but from a human point of view, who is better? Person A or B?
And no, it's not called judging. Can you please define what judging is. I am not 'making' her sound like a slut, but if she DOES do all the things I described above, then it's a fact, not judging IMHO. Please define what exactly judging is :konfused :
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I think the main problem is that one doesn't really know the truth about the other.
well if it aint the same tale of blue balls yet again!
waqai!!?
bibi that was technical language and intentionally so. I figure if i bring CS into everyday discussions it might become a party talk item and then i’d really be ‘in’..