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I agree with PCG. I am sick and tried of all these sobbing stories by the Muslim crowd, of being a racism victim. If you are different from others and part of a minority group, you will face some odd situations in life. That is how social dynamics work in any part of the world. USA is no different. Grow up and stop using social media to try to get a 15 second of fame.
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she's not just talking about her being discriminated against. more disturbing are the allegations regarding patient care. i can sort of see how ignorant old women who are used to male white doctors their whole life want to quiz her for being a headscarf wearing arab woman doctor. but what are the educated doctors' excuse in treating babies differently by race? these are people professionally trained to be doctors.
in any case, i prefer doctors and other professionals to not be overtly religious or sexualized in appearance. i dont care if my doctor is gay or muslim but if they look like they have an agenda, i dont want them dealing with anything serious.
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^ Sorry I hit that button on xtreme left by mistake.
What is that button anyway?
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Is it okay for doctor to call African American father of patient child an angry black man?
No.
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I agree with Queer. Only aspect of the article that is alarming is where the doctors are showing their racism. That's totally inappropriate. And same goes for doctors in leadership who discriminate against at trainees.
But when it comes to patients and their perception of the hijab, yes there will be discrimination. Believe it or not there are a lot of people out there that do not like our religion and they have a right to not like it just like Muslims tend to not like other religions. They are just passing comments and asking questions so you answer them professionally and move on. Do you think black docs don't experience racism from these old fashioned elderly? They do. I hear it all the time from my fellow colleagues of what some ignorant patient said to them. It doesn't make it ok but it's part of the day to day struggles. Hispanic docs get it. Female docs get it. How many times has a sexist 70 yr old ask me "you're going to be my doctor? You don't look like one", and he will tell the nurses that there once was a time women knew their place.
The average patient is elderly. They did not grow up with Islam or Muslim neighbors. All they know about Islam is the *** they see on TV. So instead of complaining about something that will inevitably happen and we couldn't prevent like their racism towards us why not work on trying to fight terrorism in our own communities.
All I'm seeing is a lot of effort in getting Americans to like us or whining about the racism.
I'm the only person I know personally who is setting up activities for young Muslim kids and teens and young adults so that they don't fall prey to terrorist recruiters. What is anyone else doing ? Anyone who criticizes our own community for not doing enough to block people from going terrorist, is mocked and told they aren't Muslim.
The problem is us. It's how we practice and perceive our religion and that we don't understand it and we don't do enough when someone is going off the deep end. People say they didn't know that San Bernardino guy was going to do what he did but the red flags were obvious. What are we doing as a community when we see these depressed loners? They're the ones at most risk for recruitment. His boys club at his mosque is a typical group that does Halaqas at mosques. These people are good for nothing. They sit and talk and talk and people's minds turn towards hatred. You live Islam you don't sit in circles talking about it. These people aren't socially involved in the community. They take over public spaces and don't let people use them for good ex masjids. They take over student organizations and run them into the ground. What are we doing about these people? I have called them "fundoos" since I was in college and was the only one who wanted college administrative action on them. The others wanted to hide them and protect them and defend them. In the college Friday prayers they were spewing anti-western messages and college admin had no clue or didn't want to do anything since these Saudis have good donation money from abroad.
For that I see no articles being written by passionate hijabis on their deen. At that point, these girls go silent and missing in action.
So then what was the point of your hijab? You were unable and unwilling to protect your own religion from people defiling it. THAT should get you riled up. Not some 70 yr old from a sexist, racist era of America that still holds onto their clearly dying ideas.
I don't hear pediatric docs complaining about this. These patients will eventually die off and your new set of elderly will be more ethnically sensitive.
Terrorism will not die off.
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^ This.
If the blogger works in a area/hospital that is predominantly white, then she and all other minorities (blacks, mexicans, poor patients etc.) will face discrimination in the form of harsh/rude words. If Ms. Ivy League went to a poor ghetto neighborhood that is predominantly black/mexicans, she would learn that often those patients don’t trust white doctors and made rude comments about them. This is not anything new and certainly not something worth writing a stupid blog over.
Patients in the hospital are angry/scared/helpless and will often lash out at anyone they can. Old people grew up in a society that was not diverse and will hold racist views…this should not be anything new to ANYONE. This applies to all communities…old desi people, old arabs, old blacks…they all have some sort of racist views against other races. What really irritated me is the blogger using a 80-year-old patient who has DEMENTIA as a example! 
And as for doctors…guess what…they’re HUMAN! Medical school/residency is not going to change someone’s moral views. If a person, doctor or not, grew up in a non-diverse area and was raised with racist views…M.D. degree doesn’t all of a sudden change that (this goes for any professional). So again, not sure what’s so surprising to find out that people out there (including doctors) can be racist.
I think the best example of discrimination is the blogger herself. Something in her upbringing led her to believe that her Ivy League education would make her different from other and shield her from discrimination. This makes me wonder how does SHE herself view people who did not have the opportunity to get an Ivy League education. 
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And Paheli takes it home.
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Where are the hijabis articles on the chess fatwa from Saudi ?
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If the blogger works in a area/hospital that is predominantly white, then she and all other minorities (blacks, mexicans, poor patients etc.) will face discrimination in the form of harsh/rude words. If Ms. Ivy League went to a poor ghetto neighborhood that is predominantly black/mexicans, she would learn that often those patients don't trust white doctors and made rude comments about them"
False equivalency. In the 1st instance it is the privileged that discriminate. In the 2nd, the blacks have been given plenty of reasons to distrust.
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At least she was able to get into medical school and is making a lot of money. What kind of rights would she get in Saudia or would she be sanctioned for rape or killing by either Shias or Sunnis in Iraq. Whatever religious symbol you wear will bring controversy.
Sorry.. but whats that got to do with the price of fish..? Just because saudis mistreat thier minorities.. She has no right to complaint about her own experiences?
You seem to forget.. Saudis openly mistreat their minorities and they dont wave the flag of equality and diversity around whilst doing so.. Hence you would expect this behaviour from them.
US on the other hand does wave it around.. And hence the reasonable expectation that they are telling the truth. Obviously the scales have just fallen from her eyes and she has every right to point out that things are not exactly as written on the box.
Those of you saying she should expect it and should stop moaning or move away.... I will expect the same from you next time you feel aggrieved about anything. Shut it n move.
Im guessing you'd be moving alot of countries living with daft self made rules like that. In fact pretty soon you'd be running our of places to move to!
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At least she was able to get into medical school and is making a lot of money. What kind of rights would she get in Saudia or would she be sanctioned for rape or killing by either Shias or Sunnis in Iraq. Whatever religious symbol you wear will bring controversy.
So this is how desi Amreekans roll these days. Boast about how their country is better than a country utterly destroyed by America's illegal war? Thanks for telling us that America the champion of democracy and equality is better than warn torn Iraq. I would have never guessed that.
Know the name of the next Muslim country America plans to carpet bomb in the name of democracy and equality?
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So sad to that supposedly educated people cannot even bothered to condemn the racist and ignorant attitude, and instead making excuses to justify it, or at least normalise it. Donald Trump's popularity doesn't really surprise me anymore.
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To everyone in this thread who is justifying racism and is calling out the victim instead: when your daughter/son/mother/father/spouse will be discriminated, then please tell him/her to stop whining. To not make a mountain out of a molehill. Tell them to suck it and just accept it, because they could have been born in Saudi Arabia. Tell them that you are sick of these sobbing stories by the muslims crowd of being a racism victim. And that it's natural to be discriminated against.
Please preach them to shut up and not complain and to be thankful that they atleast are 'allowed' to live in the USA. If you have zero value and respect for yourself, and are ok with being a second-hand low citizin with less rights than the white majority, then fine. Pass on those teachings to your children, that they should never fight for their rights and should accept any racism and discrimination.
And those days are not far that even you people, depite you trying to fit in so well, will be openly discriminated against.
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tRump is popular among rethugs. Haven't looked at numbers - I suspect 40 pct of rethugs support him. Makes it 20 pct of country. I hope Sanders kicks his ash and toupee in the general.
Trump was against the Iraq war. This tRump appears to be an avatar to appeal to the LCD.
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As for the title of the article, I don't think the author is naive. It's simply as no matter how much you study, or try to fit in, or try to level their standards, they will always see you as an outsider. You will never become like them.
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Sorry.. but whats that got to do with the price of fish..? Just because saudis mistreat thier minorities.. She has no right to complaint about her own experiences?
You seem to forget.. Saudis openly mistreat their minorities and they dont wave the flag of equality and diversity around whilst doing so.. Hence you would expect this behaviour from them.
US on the other hand does wave it around.. And hence the reasonable expectation that they are telling the truth. Obviously the scales have just fallen from her eyes and she has every right to point out that things are not exactly as written on the box.
Those of you saying she should expect it and should stop moaning or move away.... I will expect the same from you next time you feel aggrieved about anything. Shut it n move.
Im guessing you'd be moving alot of countries living with daft self made rules like that. In fact pretty soon you'd be running our of places to move to!
When I was back home I feared getting killed because of my ethnicity or because of my sect, there wasn't a single day when I did not experience hostility and aggression. I chose this as my home and I have been treated a thousand times better than my country men or my fellow Muslims in ME would treat me. If you want to be accepted then you have to be accepting of other people also. We cant have frequent terror attacks rapes, beheadings and heinous crimes against humanity and then be welcomed with open arms.
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" If the blogger works in a area/hospital that is predominantly white, then she and all other minorities (blacks, mexicans, poor patients etc.) will face discrimination in the form of harsh/rude words. If Ms. Ivy League went to a poor ghetto neighborhood that is predominantly black/mexicans, she would learn that often those patients don't trust white doctors and made rude comments about them"
False equivalency. In the 1st instance it is the privileged that discriminate. In the 2nd, the blacks have been given plenty of reasons to distrust.
Are you serious? the guys living on welfare and fundamentalists in their view point discriminate a lot more.
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Are you serious? the guys living on welfare and fundamentalists in their view point discriminate a lot more.
If rules woukd allow, I would call the views re those on welfare bigoted.
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To everyone in this thread who is justifying racism and is calling out the victim instead: when your daughter/son/mother/father/spouse will be discriminated, then please tell him/her to stop whining. To not make a mountain out of a molehill. Tell them to suck it and just accept it, because they could have been born in Saudi Arabia. Tell them that you are sick of these sobbing stories by the muslims crowd of being a racism victim. And that it's natural to be discriminated against.
Please preach them to shut up and not complain and to be thankful that they atleast are 'allowed' to live in the USA. If you have zero value and respect for yourself, and are ok with being a second-hand low citizin with less rights than the white majority, then fine. Pass on those teachings to your children, that they should never fight for their rights and should accept any racism and discrimination.
And those days are not far that even you people, depite you trying to fit in so well, will be openly discriminated against.
I live in a small college town and most of my patients watch FOX and they don't even know names of news anchors on CNN. The hospitals news channels are all running FOX. I told them all once jokingly that one day I'll come in at 5 am, and change every tv to CNN and then laugh as the elderly walk in and are lodging complaints against the hospital administration. Cuz...they would do that.
I have to walk into rooms ROUTINELY, and watch them watch FOX as FOX bashes my people. I have to deal with "So where are you from?" and answer patiently "Florida", when they expect to hear "Afghanistan". I have been asked where I went to school, and have found people are politely smiling and thinking "She is taking our jobs". I have had people ask me all kinds of horrid questions like "Are you married? Oh no? Well I don't blame you, muslim men are so abusive".
It's NOT just Hijabis. I'm not complaining. You know why? Because I'm seeing what they see on TV, and seeing that our muslims are doing VERY little to combat extremism in their own communities. I have nothing to tell them when Pakistan releases extremist inmates from prison in the hundreds because some thug in TTP demands them to be released, or when Imran Khan gives groups like TTP sympathy or when groups like Taliban open fire on kids in a school and Lal Masjid gives out public statements of approval, and there are mass protests outside his masjid, and it's the PROTESTORS who are taken away by police, instead of the Lal Masjid cleric.
I have nothing to say to these people, because my people have done utterly NOTHING to put a stop to this nonsense. I have seen these backwards attitudes the terorrists have being BRED here in the masjids in the US even. I know worse is being taught in the masjids in Pakistan. It's only after 911 and FBI agents being strung in each masjid here, that masjid admin got serious and threw out fire-brand preachers and brought in Let's-hold-hands-and sing-Kumbaya type preachers. Until then, I remember there were hardliners coming from Somalia, and Kenya, and Saudi, and Egypt etc preaching hatred in the mosques.
I have heard all kinds of stupid *** from these people. Examples like you can't use the Western Calendar, it is haraam.
So what am I supposed to ? Throw out my calendar and stop calling this January??
I've heard all kinds of nonsense from these people and the worst part is we never had the courage to stand up against them. These groups were infiltrated even into our college kids MSA groups. You routinely saw Pakistani boys going into these groups normal, and coming out with beards, unable to socialize with anyone, and unable to smile. You know the types I'm talking about, you've probably encountered these people.
So, no I have nothing to say to my elderly patients. I just thank them actually for not being MORE brutal in their words against my people, because they have every right to be. If tables were switched, Pakistanis would be persecuting a minority group where a subset was behind bombings and killings.
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My point isn't that the discrimination isn't wrong. But you have to see where it's coming from and look to your own people and ask "What could we do differently?"
Some people are holding Islamophobia events, public education events about muslims. It's not enough. We're not doing anything to hold back young men (and even women now) from joining these terrorist groups. There are a few US imams, like Yasir Qadhi, who try to talk to troubled young youth, and they are routinely told by young guys they are considering joining ISIS and he spends all day convincing them out of it. Similarly, there are a handful of other Imams who are active in youth counseling. But that's it. Most masjids have no game-plan for these kids. In fact, many masjids have preachers who are encouraging these ideas.
The following are terrorist-type ideas:
There is going to be a khalifat one day, and we have to be the ones to establish this khilafat, even if it means destroying the sovereign governments who are already muslim, and disobeying their writ of law.
I don't have to follow a law, if it doesn't agree with my version of the Sharia.
There is only one type of Sharia, and it's the Sharia I say is Sharia. If I say it's not sharia, it's not sharia. Yeah, I get to decide that because I'm a know it all 22 year old, who never went to college, but I somehow understand 1400 years of Islamic Jurisprudence cuz I read a pamphlet. Written by...I don't know?
Women are only here to serve me. Sexually. And they can give me food. Apart from that, they don't get to do anything. Oh well, maybe I'll let them blow themselves up.
Education is haraam. Only education allowed is memorizing Arabic verses of the Quran, and I hope you don't understand Arabic, because if you did, you'd realize I'm a total phony.
Schools that teach English and Math and Urdu, and History and Science are all "Nurseries of Evil". They deserve to get bombed, and kids deserve to be shot in the arse as they cower in fear under their desks.
I am going to overthrow every muslim government that exists, because that is my Islamic right. We are all one people, and need to be under one government, so current existing governments are all haraam.
All women need to be fully cloaked in an abaya, better they don't show their faces at all.
Women can't drive.
Women can't be anywhere alone unless they are in the eyesight of one of our militant soldiers.
I get to rape who I want. Quran says so.
We get to keep concubines - which means "right hand possesses". Which means sexually assaulting women against their will. Oh there is a Quran verse on that? Sorry, I no read Arabic.
Yeah, I'm only 21, and I have it all figured out. middle finger
That is what you see with the youth these days. Go online, and you can look up any majorly popular youth Imam and you'll see the comments under their posts, and you will see people who post anti-western comments. It's there. I routinely go and report these guys to facebook, but God knows if FB is passing their accounts to the FBI and if anything is being done about them.
I don't know that masjids have any programs to expel these myths. If there are, it's a minority. Most programs are focusing on non-muslims discriminating against us. No one is looking at the Jaahil dummies sitting in our own masjids. They are walking time bombs, like seriously. They could blow themselves up tomorrow. Groups like ISNA and ICNA don't have any game plan on how to deal with these people. Imam of Saudi makes ridiculous rules like Chess is haraam, and ISNA can't even put out a statement saying "Chess is not haraam". They're too afraid to fly in his highness's face.