I need advice. Concerned about my fiance...

The issue is related to a friend of his from uni. He and said friend have known each other for a while, even before uni I believe, and get on quite well. The trouble is that she is a rather immature, inconsistent, makes unwise decisions and often goes to him for help and involves him in these. Being the type of person that he is, he usually helps or attempts to (within reason, of course). Most of the issues she asks him for help with stem from her personal situation. She is recently married (for about a year, arranged), but quite unhappy with her husband (and family, it seems) and situation and has often expressed a desire to leave him. However, she does not go about this in a mature manner and has, instead, resorted to the naïve and rather simplistic idea of “running away” (simply moving out of her house and staying elsewhere). She has involved my fiancé in this in that she asked if she could stay with him (since he lives alone) while she “sorts things out.” He agreed under the strict parameters that there be no drama and that it function like a roommate situation (housework and payments split evenly). In the end, she did not move out and said nothing else about the situation for the past 4 months until the weekend when she called him to ask for another favour.

The reason the above situation concerns me is that their friendship is rather one-sided. She only calls him or speaks to him when she needs something (and this usually involves some sort of drama) and he is not “allowed” to call her otherwise. The rest of the time is complete silence to the point of not acknowledging him if she sees him in public. Aside from the one-sidedness of it, the other issue that concerns me is the potential for her to drag him into unnecessary drama or perhaps something more serious given that her family is…well…crazy and rather backward despite living here (in the UK) for over two decades. What do you guys think? Is it reasonable to ask him not to get involved in his friend’s issues even when asked or ask him to stop speaking to her (which seems excessive)?

***Before anyone brings this up: No, I am not jealous of his friendship with this friend nor do I think there anything more than friendship going on there.

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i think you should tell your fiance that you are not comfortable with his relationship [whatever it is] to her. you also tell him that she seems to be selfish. tell him in clear words that he needs to keep a distance from her and NOT get involved.

i think he should NOT allow her to move with him for two reasons. firstly, Islam doesn't allow such living arrangements. secondly, he may get involved and that might give way to a bigger problem and you'll end upo losing him.

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Get A LIFE buddy !

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I would like to think that he is wise enough to know where and when to tow the line and if he does or does not need to end the friendship. Maybe point out how he is being taken advantage of but dont go beyond that

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I see where you're coming from. You make a good point about the selfishness on her part. Also, I don't think he'll get involved with her because that's part of the reason she wants to move out apparently (she is involved with someone else).

That is the issue I have with this: that he's allowing himself to be taken advantage of. I really am not suggesting that he stop speaking to her since she's a longtime time, just that he not allow her to drag him into drama.

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well...i believe that when naa-maHram a man and a naa-maHram woman live in a common dwelling, the third invisible entity living there with them is Shaitaan. one must NOT give shaitaan a chance to empower him/her....well, that's my opinion based on religion. :)

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On a personal level, i feel you fiance, will help her within reasons...and quite possibly as far as letting her live with him. Frankly, I don't think I would have enough peace of mind, if my significant other were living with a gender of the opposite sex...but granted the two are friends, and this girl has her own significant other, i might be able to turn the cheek in this circumstance.

I've seen enough movies, heard enough stories, and read enough literature --- that usually when people run away --- people come after them. Especially married husbands, and if such married husbands had even the slightest wiff or idea where his wife might be --- he will be the first party to arrive at the scene...and he won't be so accommodating to the "friendship" -- regardless of how it's told.

There are risks in every situation, and no doubt - harboring a run away bride comes with many. Being Desi, will compound matters....exponentially!

I won't bring religion into this.

If she absolutely needs a place to stay, I would tell you're fiance, not for longer than 2-3 days, but if that's the case, then why even stay at his place?

This girl needs to get her head on straight, and needs to before she drags other bystandards into her sh*t show.

Try to persuade your fiance, to help this girl in another way, besides harboring her.

And you have every right to be concerned about the well being of your fiance... cuz this girl sounds like sounds like spontaneous combustion! Waiting to go off at any minute.

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Exactly. This is what actually concerns me and is the only reason I am concerned about her staying with him. On the other hand, despite knowing what a bad idea it is and the potential for drama, I feel guilty about dissuading from allowing her to stay with him because despite her immaturity and other issues, I figure that if someone is willing to "run away" and cut off ties with their family, they must running from something worth running from, and she doesn't seem to have much support besides him.

I don't mind if he continues to talk to her or helps her in other ways. You definitely make a good point about suggesting he help in ways other than allowing her to live with him.

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^Err…why do you feel guilty about dissuading fiance from allowing her to stay with him. :konfused: You shouldn’t. Her staying with him would generate gossip within the community that will harm both her reputation and your fiance’s. All sorts of unsavory accusations can arise. Such a step (living with another man) can result in her marriage ending for good and strain family relations even further. If she wants out of this marriage, then the last things she needs is for rumors to circulate and hinder chances of remarriage in the future. And if your own family comes to know, they may have doubts about your fiance. There is too much at stake here. It’s one thing to be immature, but is she that oblivious to how her culture works? She could opt to move in with another female but her total lack of regard for the consequences of moving in with a guy almost make me doubt her intentions…even though YOU don’t believe she has feelings for your fiance. And she may not think your fiance as more than a brother…but it makes me wonder if she deliberately wants to take a scandalous step that will result in the end of her marriage.

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^ I feel SEMI-guilty about dissuading him because I figure that if she is willing to "run away" and cut ties with her family (quite a drastic step), there must be a good reason for it (though, I don't know if this is actually the case since I don't the whole story) and she doesn't seem to have much other (reliable) support other than my fiance.

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Can't he find her a place to stay? Like females looking for female roommates? Since even if she stays with him it's going to be a roommate situation then it wont make any difference to her. Unless ofcourse she's planning to agree to roommate situation but then freeload. Also, the other guy that she's involved with, who will eventually be rescuing her hopefully, howcome he's not helping her with all the logistics, isn't it his job, since she's leaving her hubby for him. And won't he mind if she's stayin with another guy?

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1) You wrote in another thread that the wedding is in February and afterwards, you two are moving to a different city right? So in 3.5 months you'll be living with him.

2) As for the roommate situation....it hasn't been brought up in 4 months. I'm confused.....has this been brought up again? Has there been concrete plans discussed for her to move in?

3) Sounds like they don't hang out in person. She just calls him when she needs emotional support. Since he lives alone....her calling him whenever its convenient for her isn't an issue. If I'm wrong in this assumption...please correct me. I dealt with something similar when I was dating my husband. Based on my experience, I believe this issue will sort itself out once you start living with him (especially given that you're moving to a different city). I remember you writing in the other thread that you don't really have any major issues w/ your fiancé or in-laws. Since this is a long-term friend of his.....you risk causing tension in your relationship if you don't approach this carefully. Thus, if the only thing happening right now are the phone calls.....my personal advice would be not to make a big issue out of this UNLESS some physical action is being taken by your fiancé (ie. such as allowing her to move in with him).

Why does she not work? This is in the UK right? Any particular reason she can't find a job, save up money and rent her own apartment? And her boyfriend, why can't she move in with him?

I need advice. Concerned about my fiance...

She has your fiancé, another boyfriend AND her husband?! I'm confused. Where are her girlfriends?! Yes people do desperate things in desperate situations but if she plans in leaving this guy, where exactly will she settle? Your husband in my opinion isn't doing her any favors and putting himself at a major risk. Honestly if she needs help, why not put her up in a hotel and pay for it it give her money to go to somewhere. Get her in contact with another female friend or cousin, that sort of help. You have every right to be upset even if it is a bit if jealousy because I mean camon?! That's not really normal even if they have been friends for awhile. You don't have to justify it. But what does your fiancé think of your opinion about all of this?

Also, just because she's running away because she's so unhappy in her marriage, doesn't necessarily mean she's doing it because things are so bad. It could be her only way out. Won't she be moving in back with her family if she ends her marriage anyway? I kind of get the feeling this girl may like a lot of attention. Ending a marriage is sometimes the only option however there are so many she can go about it. I'm just not understanding her backup plan or if anyone has bothered to ask what's going to happen if she manages to escape, then what?

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I don’t know much about the other guy other than what my fiancé has mentioned, which is that, apparently, he’s not the most consistent person in the world and as immature as she is. I assume that’s the reason he isn’t helping her.

She first asked about moving in with him in July and then never mentioned it again until this past weekend. There have never been any concrete plans discussed because since he never heard from her again (until this weekend), he assumed her issue must have been resolved and it was no longer necessary.

Yes, this is all in the UK. She does work and it’s not a particularly bad job, so I’m not sure what’s preventing her from saving up and moving out on her own other than immaturity and a clear lack of foresight. However, she has hinted at being afraid of her family, who has threatened to cut all ties with her if she divorces her husband, so that may be part of it.

I’ve known my fiancé since uni (that’s actually how we met) and have always known that he’s friends with her and has been since high school, so I’m not surprised or tensed by the fact that he talks to her but rather by the extent to which she has involved him in her personal drama and how that may affect him.

I haven’t actually told him about my concern regarding this particular issue. In the past, she’s asked him for other favours but I never said anything because I wasn’t particularly bothered since most of those things only involved and affected her. The only reason I’ve decided to say something this time is because he could be quite negatively affected if her family (especially her husband and brothers) view him as being the reason for or even contributing to the break-up of her marriage (and they inevitably will if she moved in with him) and I would hate for the situation to escalate into anything more serious. I definitely intend to talk to him about my concerns but was just looking for advice about how to go about it.

From my understanding, her family will cut all ties with her if she divorces her husband, which is why she needs somewhere to stay. As far as her backup plan, it sounds as if she hasn’t even thought that far in advance (as to what she’ll do after she moves out), so I have no idea what she plans to do.

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Not a good idea, I assume that since your fiance is friends with her since high school, her family also knows him. In this case your fiance should offer his help to normalize the situation between her and her husband/family. If she agrees then he can play some part, otherwise he should tell her to stay away from this, because his *ss will be in trouble when someone finds them living together.

No matter how liberal or mature a desi is, when he sees his wife/sister/daughter living with someone else instead of her husband, things are bound to get ugly.

Also there must be some protection house or thing like that in UK, for women who are not happy in marriage. Why doesn't she go there?

If there is no other option, at least your fiance can help find her a single studio nearby his place and put her there instead of living under the same roof.

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^There are shelters specifically for women escaping bad marriages but the places are very limited and I think those are for extreme cases anyway..

Your fiance could help her find work or a council house or somewhere else as stated above..

If it was my guy I would want him to help but that wouldn't mean her staying with him.. There's no need for that..

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Yeah that just shows op that you should express your feelings as they are 100% valid. This will make him involved in more ways than one because this is a family matter and nobody else should be involved. If this girl isn't in any apparent danger with her husband then this is more of a personal decision which she needs to hash out with her family and depend on people who will eventually be taking care of her once she leaves. If her family disowns her for a unhappy marriage that's very unfortunate but your husband needs to let her figure it out on her own because this is her decision. He can't be there for long to hold her hand and nor is he obligated. Can't someone talk to her family? How can a girl that has no where to go except for other guys to turn to take such drastic steps without having a proper game plan? Maybe that's something your husband should talk to her about. Even if her boyfriend is immature, it's their problem.

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i think if men are forbidden something they usually will do it.but it is a good idea to simply 'ask' him to stop.
tell him it will make you very happy if he would discontinue his relationship with her,that he is incredibly supportive but the girl is perhaps being selfish,it bothers you.just ask him to consider it,tell him one or two times that if will make you happy.and bring the topic up again casually after a week or so.

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I've been married for 14 years. Let me tell you what, I think in a marriage, one spouse is allowed to veto ANY relationship he/she is uncomfortable with, SPECIALLY if it's with the opposite sex. I'm not a backward git that thinks men and women can't be friends, but if a spouse doesn't like it, so be it, they are more important.

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^ what he said. If my fiance ever told me that he was considering let a female stay with him, well I would reevaluate what it was about him that made me want to marry him. The thought of this is just so bizarre.