(2) Next obvious question is well u sent message through a messenger now why new messenger prophet again
Answers so far I have gotten: It has two flavours: One since definition of morality itself changes with time so new message needs to be delivered and the second one is because message in course of time gets corrupted and so revival is needed.
(3) So why did God stop sending messanger all of a sudden.
Answer: because God gave impeccable memory to the contemporaray people of supposedly last prophet and those people jotted those messages down on piece of paper so the possibility of corruption is not there. Obviously this line of thinking subscribes to the theory of message gets corrupted hence new messengers is needed. It doesn’t subscribe to the thoery that definiiton of morality good behaviour itself changes over time hence the new messenger. This makes sense otherwise last prophet concept doesn’t sound right because one may ask why all of a sudden no changes in code of conduct is required.
(4) So if the corruption of message was the only concern which required God to send prophet after prophet then one may be forced to ask why did it take almighty all-knowing all-wise God thousands of try to get this simple concept ; that if u don’t want sthg to get corrupted make sure a non-corruptible reference (i.e. code written on piece of paper) is available; right.
(5) Another question is why would God choose a person who could not read or write in order to send his message and rely on capricious method of giving impeccable memeory to myriad of his followers who could read and write and codify this person’s words. Would not it be easy to choose a person who could write on a piece of paper and do this moral-code data transfer in efficient way.
You see today u have so many controversies about this hadith is right or that is wrong because prophet had to rely on others writing skills.. so why would god be so inefficient in data-trasfer]
Re: I have few question doubts will anyone try to answer them please
Ahem*
First of All Ill answer as answers come to my mind and in no specific order.
Why was the prophet chosen (PBUH) unable to read and write? I beleive it ensures that people do not doubt him of creating the message of God. The Quran is beautifully poetic, and an uneducated man is quite unable to produce such poetic work. Hence it must be the word of God.
Why did the message come many times? Well Ill give my own opinion only. God created Adam and showed him who his Creator was. But Adams children forgot and abandoned Allah. But Allah all mercifull guided them, and they would beleive for a time and then turn away again. This would happen again and again, each time Allah provided a greater degree of guidance, until the last guidance from Allah which is the final, guidance of Mankind till the last day. Allah backs up its information and so it doesnt get corrupted so man hos no excuse to divert from the path. It could be that perhaps God did not like His message being broken down into groups depending on which prophet it came too, creating different releigons out of the same beleif which led todays state of unrest between people who shouldve all been of the same faith. Thus a final prohpet was sent.
Finally about why YOU THINK Allah has inefficient data-transfer skills. If GOD wanted, he could just appear before man and tell them to follow Islam and everyone would do so because no one is stupid enough to disbeleive in the face concrete evidence. But that is not the type of beleif God must've wanted. He wants a type of beleif that originates within the heart of person connectiong the creation to the created through a pure bond of love and obedience. However, without help form God, and Shaytan's constant effort to lead man to evil, man would've never seen the right path. Thus God intervened to help man.
My views maybe wrong, just giving an opinion, though you better of asking someone with greater relevant knowledge from the Quran perhaps...
Re: I have few question doubts will anyone try to answer them please
Allah sent the prophets to guide the human beings and show them the right path....
He sent them to all nations, and as is most likely with humans, they soon drifted away from the message and needed a reminder....
Allah sent down messengers and prophets, some even with Books, but humans always managed to distort the message over the time....
then as Allah alone knows in His Infinite Knowledge, He decided that one final prophet is to come with one universal book (the sending of messages and messengers had to end somewhere) and since He did not intend to send any more books, He made sure that the people who got this book wud not go on to change it so He made them remember it well and soon made them put it down in writing....
and He chose an illiterate, uneducated person to deliver the Book so that people wud not start saying that he (and not Allah) was the author of the Book, which some shameless critics nonetheless still brought up....
since the humans cud now no longer change the Final Book, and it was still in their nature to try to deviate, they started changing and inventing hadith....
and Allah did keep this open so He could test the humans to see if they would strive to discover the Truth or blindly follow what their forefathers did....
and He did not all of a sudden decide to put an end to the line of messengers, but He had already told people in earlier Books and through previous messengers that Muhammad (saw) wud be the last messenger....
Allah knows the best, me and u can only play guessing games to why He did what He did....
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if allah knows best is the answer then well there is no question and this also means people should stop making sense out of the edicts because what’s the point whenever u face road-black u can say allah knows best so there is hardly any point of trying to see logic reason etc
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then as Allah alone knows in His Infinite Knowledge, He decided that one final prophet is to come with one universal book (the sending of messages and messengers had to end somewhere) and since He did not intend to send any
AND MY QUESTION IS WHY DID IT TOOK ALLKNOWING ALL WISE ALMIGHTY TO FIGURE OUT THIS SIMPLEST OF THING THAT IF U WANT NO CORRUPTION THERE SHOULD BE BOOK BTW BIBLE IS ALSO BOOK SO YOU CAN"T REALLY CLAIM ANYTHING WHICH BIBLE HOLDERS CAN'T... anyway I feel al-wise god wud have figured out way before the problme instead of runing lakhs of trial and error
more books, He made sure that the people who got this book wud not go on to change it so He made them remember it well and soon made them put it down in writing....
and He chose an illiterate, uneducated person to deliver the Book so that people wud not start saying that he (and not Allah) was the author of the Book, which some shameless critics nonetheless still brought up....
since the humans cud now no longer change the Final Book, and it was still in their nature to try to deviate, they started changing and inventing hadith....
and Allah did keep this open so He could test the humans to see if they would strive to discover the Truth or blindly follow what their forefathers did....
and He did not all of a sudden decide to put an end to the line of messengers, but He had already told people in earlier Books and through previous messengers that Muhammad (saw) wud be the last messenger....
Allah knows the best, me and u can only play guessing games to why He did what He did....
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(5) Another question is why would God choose a person who could not read or write in order to send his message and rely on capricious method of giving impeccable memeory to myriad of his followers who could read and write and codify this person's words.
What's so capricious about it, and why does human (capatalist) concern for efficency play into this? Needless to say, the net affect was the same.
Insofar as Hadith are concerned, this is secondary literature in Islam, and has nothing to do with the transmission of the Quran itself.
Re: I have few question doubts will anyone try to answer them please
Insofar as Hadith are concerned, this is secondary literature in Islam, and has nothing to do with the transmission of the Quran itself.
Point is the same folks wrote even hadith down so how come in one case they presumably made no misake and in another casse it's full of mistakes again presumably.......
it's capricious because when u deal with thousand people possibility of chaos is more but when u deal with one people it's simple........
Again my question why did it take all knowing all-wise almighty close to 100000 try to get this simple thing of uncorruptible refence via impeccable memory or better still prophet himself be able to read and write right....... may be God wanted to keep the comunication as usual intact and this no more prophet concept is spanner in god's plan.. could this be a possibility
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Because the Quran was of set format and commited to memory as it was revealed/finalized. The Hadith, on the other hand, was collected later and in a more ad-hoc manner.
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it's capricious because when u deal with thousand people possibility of chaos is more but when u deal with one people it's simple........
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If anything, it made everyone a partcipant in the faith. There was no chaos...
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Again my question why did it take all knowing all-wise almighty close to 100000 try to get this simple thing of uncorruptible refence via impeccable memory or better still prophet himself be able to read and write right....
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The various "attempts" were not all due to corruption...many people simply strayed from the path, and so warners were continuously sent as an act of mercy.
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Because the Quran was of set format and commited to memory as it was revealed/finalized. The Hadith, on the other hand, was collected later and in a more ad-hoc manner.
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it's capricious because when u deal with thousand people possibility of chaos is more but when u deal with one people it's simple........
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If anything, it made everyone a partcipant in the faith. There was no chaos...
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Again my question why did it take all knowing all-wise almighty close to 100000 try to get this simple thing of uncorruptible refence via impeccable memory or better still prophet himself be able to read and write right....
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The various "attempts" were not all due to corruption...many people simply strayed from the path, and so warners were continuously sent as an act of mercy.
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OKe enlighten me again: Were these socalled men with impeccable memory following muhd with pen and paper and jotting it down in one case or in another case they just chilled and decided to put it down some other day.. but again as there is claim of impeccable memoery it sud not have mattered whetehr they jotted things down on the spot or they waited for few days........ I don;t really get the ad-hoc part a person with merpfect memory will write don the right thing no matter what and still we havecliams of mistakes false info etc..
If anything, it made everyone a partcipant in the faith. There was no chaos...
chaos is in data collection one person says sthg another person says no i heard sthg else
The various "attempts" were not all due to corruption...many people simply strayed from the path, and so warners were continuously sent as an act of mercy.
All good things come to an end, I suppose...
So what made God believe that people suddenly are matured enough and they won't veer from the right path in future if I am not mistaken eery time sthg ghastly happens we hear the same cry of people have veered form the right path..........mind you last time all it took was 700 years for people to veer from the right path supposedly and need of new prophet was needed and this time it has been more 1300 years so what is the basis of the assumption that people won;t stary from path hence they won't need further prophet........ if the book is the one which keeps them from straying then it could have as I hyothesised should have been sent in first try itself well I will give God one chance to experiment but not more than he should have sent it in scond try....doesn't all this lacunae suggest there is sthg missing from the puzzle... god wanted to keep communicating but someone put spanner in his design..
all the other theories don't seem to be logically consistent
Re: I have few question doubts will anyone try to answer them please
Cynic-I dont understand why you are looking for "logical" answers. "Faith" is a belief- cannot be proven or disproven by logic and testing.
Trying to reason God as just or injust through looking at people's subjective opinions, (a product of what family they were born in and their life experiences) and world history- is futile in my honest opinion.
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I have the same opinion but have had enough of Zakir Naik's lecture about how it's all so logical and scientific so thought will test things with logic:-)
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Hi there
Sorry couldnt help myself...........
as far as number of Prophets go and ur question that why God couldnt keep it down to one message and one prophet....... my friend i assume you have gone to school college and university....why did you not get all ur college and university books when you were young ... they were not gonna change and you studied them later on anyway then why wait so long.........the reason is that to understand the depth of a message you have to reach a level of intellectual integrity relevant to the message where you can understand the message......therefore mankind had to go through those steps if you like to achieve that level where they can realise and understand the final message.......the message on the basis of which we all will be judged
i agree with one of the replies regarding the selection of a man who couldnt read or write to protect the integrity of the data and you are right in questioning that an illiterate man can add his own thoughts to it if not write it.....but my friend you have to read the message first before questioning it and the detail and depth of the message and the variety of the topics it covers, its a complete constitution a code of life........again its not beyond an illiterate mind to comprehend a different life style but i am sure you ill agree that an illitereate mind cannot come up with a new life style that accompanies a constitution a completely different social system a new justice system a source code for all of this for generations to come....... a message so powerfull that it inspires a revolution it insipres intellectuals,philosophers and laymen alike that creates one of the most powerfull and biggest empires in the history of mankind that creates a religion thats growing faster than anyother must surely cannot be comprehended by an illitereate mind.
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I have gone through quran for most of the part there is no flow ... topic of discussion keeps on veering here and there and it does insinuate to be work of an illiterate but imaginative person.........Trust me an iliterate person is fully caable of concocting stuff so this is not full-proof against coruption by the person
About this being pinnacle of religious edict, show me a positive edict which was not already there in earlier holy books....I could not find any
About ur University degree analogy: I could not read or write as a kid but books were still there, yes mankind would not have grasped but has reference book been there sooner or later people would have grasped it.. btw ur claim of this goes against the words in quran that " I have made this easy to udnerstand for everyone else".. and yes university books don't cease to evolve .. new ideas keep on coming