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I am sure they are kaafir in God's eyes, because no killer of innocent people can claim to be a believer in God (any God, that is). However, you are missing the point, the terrorists were from Muslim community and were doing these acts in the name of Islam. We'll stop seeing terrorists being born into Muslim community if we can put half as much effort into denouncing them as we do in denouncing Qadiyanis and other htings you guys call 'fitna'.

How convenient, some of you go around on a killing rampage and the responses are one of the following

(1) CIA did it (until they are caughty)
(2) they are Zionist agents
(3) They are not Muslim (where is this muslim test offered that police can have them go through everytime they catch a criminal)
(4) Israel made them do it (in case of Hamas vs Fatah wars)

Muslim community as a whole is so perfect, it can never be held responsible for and hence expected to correct anything. Right hareem?

and Masoom si Larki: Does becoming a Muslim require giving up all sense of logic and intellectual honesty? In your case, I think it does. Have fun being a rabid blind follower and keep denying reality.

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hareem01, mada a good assertion.

muslims are really seen as a backward type all over the west.
plus we have these wonders like salman rush and maanji and others in iran and lebenon etc.

when unity gives way, this happens. it is that simple.
good and bad is all over, dudes. but staying good, collectively and individually, is a tall order.
that is what muslims are up against when there is talk of, democracy from US, and war on terror from UK and its allies.

where are the saudi-arabs and other nations' leaders and why these nations are silent as a dead weed.
there is more than what meets the eye. to recapture what is lost, muslims need to become one again and do so, by treating their own right, firstly and then set a strong example for others to learn by.

at my work, i plainly tell fellow brits and indians alike, not all muslim men are bad just like not all indian or brits are.
and people get that.
it is a slow process.
but the goal is to make pani la pani aur dhood ka dhood. and that will take fortitude.

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i agree dt wotever happened was wrong , bt funny how all terrorist names start wid Mohammed or bilal or abdullah is dt a coincedence or wt . also funny hw dey caught all suspects so quickly and hw dey were already on the MI5 record . i mean i work for d gov and dey r d most laziest organisation ever..

no one died bt it is pathetic hw wen dey see a lil fire or hear abt planned attacks dey act as if a millions were killed and so much zulm is happening on them bt yet wt dey hve dun to iraq and afghanistan is horrible , dose countries r nuffin apart from dead bodies n rubble n dese ppl sit here in peace . n nw god knws wt war on terror dey will start agn .. frm all dis dey shud learn hw it feels to live in an unsafe world hw it feels to loose ur loved ones as that is an everyday story in d middle east .

9/11 ws massive n horrible i despise dose who done this , yet i also think destroying 2 whole countries and populations ws a heavy price to pay ..

violence will nt end wid violence n dt goes for dese westerners n our xtremist brothers n sisters hu in my opinion r a bunch of idiots dt need to calm down

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those who are in denial, read this

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British PM cracks down on foreign medics By PAISLEY DODDS, Associated Press Writer
49 minutes ago

LONDON - The British government said Wednesday that it had reduced the level of the terrorist threat facing the country from "critical" to "severe."

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The level was raised to critical — the highest on a five-point scale — on Saturday after failed attacks on Glasgow and London, meaning that further attacks were thought to be imminent. The country has not been lower than the "severe" level, meaning that further attacks are considered likely, since August, 2006.

In a statement, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith said the reduction "does not mean the overall threat has gone away — there remains a serious and real threat against the United Kingdom and I would again ask that the public remain vigilant."

The decision to reduce the threat level was made by the government's Joint Terrorism Analysis Center.

Earlier Wednesday, Prime Minister Gordon Brown said the government will expand checks on immigrants taking skilled jobs and review recruiting for the National Health Service, which employed all eight suspects in last week's foiled terror plots.

A government security official said several of the men had been on a British intelligence watch list.

One of the suspects on the list had posted a comment on an Internet chat room condemning cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad published last year in Danish newspapers, The Evening Standard reported, citing unidentified intelligence sources.

A senior U.S. counterterrorism official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue, said none of the eight suspects was on any American lists of potential terror suspects.

It was unclear why the other suspects might have been put on the British list. One suspect, Iraqi doctor Bilal Abdulla, reportedly had links to radical Islamic groups, and several others were linked to extremist radicals listed on the database of MI5, the domestic intelligence agency, The Times of London reported.

The suspects were arrested in a series of raids across Britain after two car bombs failed to explode in London on Friday and two men tried to drive a vehicle loaded with gas cylinders into the main terminal at Glasgow's airport on Saturday.

"Some, but not all, have turned up in a check of the databases, but they are not linked to any previous incident," the official said on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the material. The official said Britain's security services are currently watching around 1,600 people and have details logged of hundreds more.

Shiraz Maher, a former member of a radical Islamic group, said he knew Abdulla at Cambridge University.

"He was certainly very angry about what was happening in Iraq. ... He supported the insurgency in Iraq. He actively cheered the deaths of British and American troops in Iraq," he told BBC television's "Newsnight."

He said Abdulla berated a Muslim roommate for not being devout enough, showing him a beheading video and warning this could happen to him. He also said he had a number of videos of al-Qaida's former leader in Iraq, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, who was killed by a U.S. airstrike last year.

Abdulla had been disciplined at the Royal Alexandra Hospital in Paisley, outside Glasgow, for spending too much time on the Internet, according to the Evening Standard.

Meanwhile, a senior British cleric working in Baghdad said Wednesday that he met with a suspected al-Qaida leader in Jordan in April who warned of several British attacks and issued a cryptic warning.

"It was so awful that, in my update for the day, I wrote that I have met with the devil today," Canon Andrew White told British Broadcasting Corp. radio. "At one moment in the meeting he said, 'Those who cure you are going to kill you.'"

White — who runs Baghdad's only Anglican parish and has been involved in several hostage negotiations in Iraq — said he did not understand the threat's significance at the time. Although he said he passed the general threat warning on to Britain's Foreign Office, White said he did not mention the comment, who could be interpreted as hinting at the involvement of doctors.

All eight of the suspects arrested following the car bombing attempts in London and Glasgow were employed or previously employed by Britain's National Health Service.

The suspects, whose names have not been confirmed by police, include two doctors from India, and one doctor apiece from Iraq, Lebanon and Jordan. The Jordanian doctor's wife — also arrested — is a medical assistant. Another doctor and a medical student are thought to be from the Mideast.

Some of the suspects worked as colleagues at hospitals in England and Scotland. Officials say the evidence points to the plot being hatched after they met in Britain, rather than overseas.

"We'll expand the background checks that have been done where there are highly skilled migrant workers coming into this country," Brown told the House of Commons in his first appearance at the weekly prime minister's questions.

"As a result of what has happened in the National Health Service, I have asked Lord West, the new terrorism minister, to conduct an immediate review as to what arrangements we must make in relation to recruitment," Brown said.

Investigators believe the main plotters have been rounded up, though others involved on the periphery, including at least one British-born suspect, were still being hunted, the British security official said.

The family of one suspect — Muhammad Haneef, a 27-year-old doctor from India arrested Monday in Brisbane, Australia — professed his innocence. He had worked at Liverpool before.

"He has been detained unnecessarily. He is innocent," Qurat-ul-ain, Haneef's mother, told The Associated Press in the southern Indian city of Bangalore.

Sumaiya, Haneef's sister, said Wednesday he was coming to Bangalore to see his daughter, who was born a week ago. Sumaiya uses one name.

Haneef worked in 2005 at Halton Hospital near Liverpool in northern England, hospital spokesman Mark Shone said.

Another suspect arrested in Liverpool was named in British media as Sabeel Ahmed, but police refused to confirm his identity. He is believed to be a 26-year-old doctor.
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after the events of the Glasglow/Uk car bomb threat i wrote this blog:

The so called terror events of both yesterday and today have lead me to again question the validity of such circumstances. Leaving my criticisms aside of both the unfortunate events of Sept 11 and the July bombing, these fresh events have both come at an ironical and coincidental time. A newly elected prime minister in England and where the political slogan Iraq and Afghanistan war has lost the coalitions control. I believe, whether you may discern it or not, that these events are no more than a political stunt for both, to reaffirm the position for a newly elected prime minister in the United Kingdom parliament and to allow the coalition stay in Iraq.
The idea of a representative democracy or representative government which corresponds directly with the existence of the rule of law suggests that the voice of the people should be demonstrated through the central government. We are constantly loosing this right to the medias constant bombardment which is changing our views, our own inherent values and morals. And as a result of this the government is able to pursue its own interests.

My argument here is not to safeguard the existence of Islam nor is it to play the blame game. My argument is that our society has lost its key qualities to question the validity of certain issues. The fibre of the average person has become non existence and is no more than of a new born baby accepting its unsubstantiated parent's knowledge.

Yes you may question the authority of my statements as the evidence shown to the world both in the London city car bomb scare and the jeep ramming into Glasgow airport were shown with clear evidence. Now a simple question for everyone here is; how could a potential bomber from a so called organised network of 'al-qaeda' park his car, which was supposedly packed with explosives, and simply get out of his car and be stupid enough to act suspiciously while doing so? Not only does this ridicule the existence of the so called 'al-qaeda' network who have worked their way past the CIA, FBI and the worlds most reputable intelligence agencies, it questions the claim on whether this was a terrorist activity at all. Any sane person can make this analysis. Both of these concurrent events which have occurred in 72 hours seem to have a more route cause and I suggest this time around should be actively questioned.

that just my view...

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Most of these "Muslim Terrorists" lost their familes by witnessing them get murdered by foreign invasion in front of their own eyes. They are filled with anger and vengence.

May Allah (SWT) instill patience and mercy to the next generation of Muslims who will eventually lose their loved ones in an unecessary onslaught so that they won't be raging with anger and become suicide bombers to avenge the death of their families. InshAllah they will let Allah handle it in the hereafter instead.

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You feel ashamed? Why?

Did your tax dollars go to the planning and operations of the attack? Where you involved in any material way? Did you catch wind of the operation and not tell anyone?

Why should you feel ashamed? By association? Don't be ashamed. Angry, sure. But by feeling ashamed you admit to guilt...and you have no business admitting to any such thing. YOU didn't do anything.

Have self respect, and don't let anyone take that away from you. If you're hated for someone else's actions, then there's nothing you can do about it. And you know what? You have EVERY right to look down at those who hate you for things you didn't do nor support. They're scum...and not worth a thought.

You don't have to draw moral equivleances between terrorism and military actions. You don't have to conflate any issues. The bottom line is you didn't do anything to merit any kind of hate. Let those with self-esteem problems worry about our "image" in face of others.

Yes, bigots who would otherwise be thought of as decent people will associate you with terrorists. They will presume things about you. Such is the nature of bigots. Do not placate them. Do not give in to their demands for a public penance. Do not be servile, and give in to their demands of a proof of loyalty. YOU did nothing wrong. There is no such thing as guilt by association.

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Simple> just pray pray Just Pray :)