Last night was Shab-e-Barat the night Allah Decides what happens in the following year - Is this correct? If so I thought our lives were already written from when we are in the womb?
Sorry I don’t mean no disrespect but I’m quite confused can someone plz clarify what Shab-e-Barat is?
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Jesus.
our live are not written.
If allah knows what is going to happen to us that dont mean he is forcing us.
U need to read some thing on time travel and stuff it will all make sense to you.
come on prove ppl that u aint a pretty head only.
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Ok so my understanding is a Persons life has been written from when they are in the mothers womb - this isn't true?
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So, does anyone have any idea?
Last night was Shab-e-Barat the night Allah Decides what happens in the following year - Is this correct? If so I thought our lives were already written from when we are in the womb?
Sorry I don't mean no disrespect but I'm quite confused can someone plz clarify what Shab-e-Barat is?
Its a bidat/ bidah/ innovation.
Sunni put attributes / fazail of Shab e Qadr into Shab e Baraat. They quote Sorah Dukhan for that which actually tells about Shab e Qadar and NOT about shab e baraat. Baraat means hatred not nijaat.
Shia celebrate it as birthday of their ghayab Imam Mahdi.
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It is known by Allah what you are going to do.
Does not mean you are not at least partially free to do whatever you like.
It is like: A person driving car too fast on icey, slippery road with dead end, the cop on the side of the road knows the person will get hurt.
So, does anyone have any idea?
JAnwer dude,
I just told you above.
dude, not every answer lies in logic!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, its pure physics. Time is imposed on us. Time was created in bigbang.
Allah created time.
He is outside of the realm of time. For him there is no BEFORE, AFTER or any thing.
Thats way he was always there and he always will be.
Because there is no always.
Dude allah is not a man, neither are angles. They might have different dimensions.
Perhaps every point in our life 1979--1986---1999 2010 and 2080 is lying infront of them.
In tlk;s case 1950.... and and later. :D
So they know..,,,, it dont make us slave of what they know... its us who shape it.
Dude its in quran a million time how time and space are different at different places.
Dude, I said dude about 20 time. come on now.....
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To clarify:
One is a Divinely Private affair
The other is a public affair
The predestination is always Known by Allah without interference, then destined by Allah subject to change, then we do what we can in our specific situations to strive for the best outcomes, then it is 'announced' what will happen each year on that special night.
The decision comes earlier the announcement comes later. So they are both correct Colourful eyes. Wallahu'alim.
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Monk, sorry man but honestly it makes no sense.
Psyah, you mean Allah changes his mind? So our actions are a surprise to him?
If he knows what we are going to do, and its all pre-written, then again it doesn't make sense. If he has defined generally that this action will lead to this outcome, and doesn't know what action we will choose, and the defined outcomes occur as and when we perform certain actions and make decisions, then it makes sense. Which one is it then? Either he is all-knowing and everything is destined to be the way it occurs, and we are mere puppets acting on all pre-determined set of rules and actions. OR he doesn't know what we will do and what path we will take, and then reacts to our actions - which honestly makes more sense.
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Knowledge of Allah of people's act does not mean Allah made them do it.
As a humble act, however it is good to say " All good decisions by a person come from Allah" and all bad deeds are because of this person's own decision.
Monk, sorry man but honestly it makes no sense.
Psyah, you mean Allah changes his mind? So our actions are a surprise to him?
If he knows what we are going to do, and its all pre-written, then again it doesn't make sense. If he has defined generally that this action will lead to this outcome, and doesn't know what action we will choose, and the defined outcomes occur as and when we perform certain actions and make decisions, then it makes sense. Which one is it then? Either he is all-knowing and everything is destined to be the way it occurs, and we are mere puppets acting on all pre-determined set of rules and actions. OR he doesn't know what we will do and what path we will take, and then reacts to our actions - which honestly makes more sense.
Peace Jaanwar
You need to refrain from thinking within the framework of temporal and limited restraints.
Consider this, that I go to watch a film in the cinema, I am watching it and it takes me 2 whole hours to watch it. At the beginning I had no knowledge of what would be at the end. However now consider 'a being' that does not experience 'duration'. This Being is permanently manifest so the beginning of the film is just like the end. It is as if all parts of the movie are being watched in the same instant. And even this analogy is not befitting, but it approaches an understanding we can fathom.
Likewise, think of a teacher who knows his students very well. They are taking their exams. Based on the 'capabilities' of the students, the teacher can make a 'good guess' at who will pass and who will not. However, now consider that this teacher is a perfect guesser and can determine the percentage that each will get. Without 'interference' this teacher can predict the scores. Nearing this analogy is the concept of Divine Knowledge compared to Divine Intervention.
Intervention will only be given when we ask for it. To Allah (SWT) "when we ask" is not important because the term "when" implies a time restraint which means the language is only applicable for our purposes.
Another good model to use is the idea of asymptote.
This is a curve that approaches a value but never quite reaches it. Given an infiinte unit of time the curve will reach the value. However this is apparent to the observer of the curve, according to the 'curve' it is constantly moving away and cannot detect that an end point it near.
Event horizons are also similar to this concept - look up black holes for suitable analogies.
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Psyah, I keep hearing contradicting concepts and arguments from different sources. It gets more confusing. I will read up on this subject and will get back to you with my questions. I really appreciate your help.
Monk, thanks man, I definitely will read it.
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there are two things , one is awareness and the other is surity.
when a child is born Allah knows all that he would do in this world.
but everyyear certain things are confirmed whether they will occur or not in the nearby future.
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I'm not sure if I can put my confusion in words, but I'll try.
I understand the idea behind all that was said above. That time is relative or perhaps that Allah is not at all bound by the constraints of time as we humans are. But then, what is this time that we are experiencing? If God can see everything as if it's laid out on a film as a movie is, then does that mean that in another dimension our future is already happening? And if the answer to that is yes, then does that mean our past is always happening too? Since there is no before, after for him..
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My goodness, this is getting very meta-physical in here! 
Its a bidat/ bidah/ innovation.
Sunni put attributes / fazail of Shab e Qadr into Shab e Baraat. They quote Sorah Dukhan for that which actually tells about Shab e Qadar and NOT about shab e baraat. Baraat means hatred not nijaat.
Shia celebrate it as birthday of their ghayab Imam Mahdi.
Totally Agree on that.
There is only one night which has been mentioned in quran/ahdeeth and that is laylatul qadar. Except that, there is no reference available for these nights. these are all "innovations" done by mulla and these night has its significance only in "pakistani muslims" ..
Its a bidat/ bidah/ innovation.
Sunni put attributes / fazail of Shab e Qadr into Shab e Baraat. They quote Sorah Dukhan for that which actually tells about Shab e Qadar and NOT about shab e baraat. Baraat means hatred not nijaat.
Shia celebrate it as birthday of their ghayab Imam Mahdi.
JAnwer dude,
I just told you above.
dude, not every answer lies in logic!!!!!!!!!!
Dude, its pure physics. Time is imposed on us. Time was created in bigbang. Allah created time. He is outside of the realm of time. For him there is no BEFORE, AFTER or any thing. Thats way he was always there and he always will be. Because there is no always.
Dude allah is not a man, neither are angles. They might have different dimensions. Perhaps every point in our life 1979--1986---1999 2010 and 2080 is lying infront of them.
In tlk;s case 1950.... and and later. :D
So they know..,,,, it dont make us slave of what they know... its us who shape it.
Dude its in quran a million time how time and space are different at different places.
Dude, I said dude about 20 time. come on now.....
I had this concept clear but i was never been able to put them in words which are so best describable in so called "technical terms" i.e. space/time.
Hats off to you man .. Really well explained .. .. !!