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*Originally posted by Lajawab: *
I think people who say that may be right and they may be wrong...
In the case of my mamuzaad cousins who were raised and educated in LA of all places grew up very educated in matters of religion...My cousin in fact is the editor of a Muslim magazine that is published in Ca. and both my cousins have beards longer than me and have married Hijabans, MashAllah...
My friend, born and raised here of a Paki father who is a doctor and an American mother, same thing...All Islamic and beard and all...No ABCDs here...
Matter could be explained if they were poor or some other circumstances, however their respective families have moolah...
I think in fact Muslims raised in the States or any other western country for that matter have lived amongst kuffar and tasted their lifestyles and seen what end they come to tend to shun western values...They take their lessons early in life and quickly distinguish and differentiate themselves becoming stronger in portraying their identity as not that of the kuffar but a definitive Muslim identity...As result not only are they very respected, they have a solid foundation on which to base their thoughts and actions...
The problem however lies with those that come to the west with weak values and even weaker convictions...Those that have lived in Pakistan and seen movies of the west and try to emulate that lifestyle...The average westerner while taking his life at a leisurely pace to pursue his desires is comfortable with all that goes around him. The confused newcomer, however, having no solid base as his identity, tries to fit in with the crowd...As a result he becomes more nanga than the westerner ever hoped to be...
I think people raised in the west with good convictions and tutoring can rise to be an exceptional example of someone who is strong and confident in their beliefs while those with weakened faiths tend to be rather underconfident pleasers...In order to fit in, they tend to please a lot and in order to please, they are willing to discard their values...As result you have a nervous individual who neither represents the west, nor his convictions nor himself...
Or he might not know any better...Who knows...Allah guides best...
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It all depends on your moral and ethical values. People bieng raised up with a strong foundation would definitely turn out to be exceptional. If they are being corrupted, it doesn’t mean that they are being corrupted by “outsiders”, it implies that they never had that strong foundation which was responsible for their thoughts and actions.
I do agree with Lajoo’s thought of strong foundation and base but I am against the idea of growing LONG beards and marrying hijabans and considering yourself a “good muslim”.** [Allah knows best]** As Roman said, you cannot judge people by their physical appearance. Yes, physical appearance plays an important role in a personality but mental character and one’s beleif is way more important and foremost than physical. People might analyze you by your appearance but they both go hand in hand.
u have to face a lot of ridicule and possible persecution for wearing a beard even in muslim countries....
and this comes to u from someone who has really gone thru it....
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experiancing it in pakistan .........."moulvi say thorri bhe ghulti ho jae to musla ho jata hay"............some aalim advisd me...when i was starting to keep a beared.....that when bearded u will not be u anymore ...every thing u do will be interpreated as "ye deekho darhee walay nay ye kia hay".......and i am experiancing it now....
khair.......yes ...i agree with lajawab.........ppl who go from pakistan to states are more prone to dirty behavour then others........like ppl who come from remote village in sindh or NWFP are normaly more involved in dirty things here in karachi or lahore.......
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
one of my family freinds was killed point blank by someone with a beard and an oonchi shalwaar, when jamiaat decided to do its ghunda gardee at dow medical college.. this guy was not into any political group, got scared of the firing between NSF and jamiaat, actually slid under a car to be out of the way, and was dragged out ..eye witnesses told us that the jamiat goon put his foot on the guy's neck and shot him in the head..after a week's coma at aga khan hospital, he passed away.
moral of the story...beards and ooncha pajama is not a flawless indicator of someone's piety..
This is not to say that anyone with ooncah pajama and a beard is a hypocrate, or all jamiat people are idiots..but the fact exists that there are ppl who look the part, may or may not be pious ppl.
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pir sahib....jamiat ppl dont have oonchee shalwar ...even modudi sahib dont liked the idea.........second ...jamiat ppl dont have long sharee beared........so ???...........
ur moral is quite true.....pir sahib.if u start wearing a beared then it shouldnot be termed as an act by religous darhee wala person........."chore kay darhee rakh lay nay say wo mutaqee nahin bun jata"
one more thing wearing army unform can not make u a solgire.........but if want to be in army u have to wear a uniform.....
wamalaina illala balagh
IMHO once you are adult you can't blame others, you have a conscience and you choose how to respond to that. But its altogether a different story for kids. So in a way adults are responsible for young ones too. East, west what ever we have to take responsibility for our actions.
Blaming western culture for corrupting ones own choices and chosen lifestyle is a tactic to disown responsibility for ones own behavior.
I don't think criminal and corrupt behavior is limited to western peoples, or limited period.
Recently in the us a man was sentenced to death for murdering a doctor who worked for an abortion clinic. The doctor who was murdered performed abortions for pregnant women/unwed mothers who made the choice to abort because they were unwilling, unready, and/or unable to care for a child.
The man that commited this murder is of the belief that God will bless him for murdering that doctor, becaue he may have saved the lives of future unborn children.
The doctor that was murdered has also delivered dozens of babies to mothers who wanted their babies, but the man that murdered him decided to take the doctors life because the doctor ended the lives of pre-born babys.
IMHO I don't think the man that murdered the doctor had the right to judge that doctor, and decide he deserved to die, and killed him with the clear intention to do so.
This is a case which has gotten much attention in the corrupt West (U.S.)
Concider honor killings.
What if my brother and I take a vaction to the east, and my brother decides that my behavior was an embarrassment and dishonor to my family name and on that bases I am murdered.
u have to face a lot of ridicule and possible persecution for wearing a beard even in muslim countries....
and this comes to u from someone who has really gone thru it....
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armughal,
Have you ever seen photos of the rock band members ZZTOP?
Originally posted by bao bihari: *
**pir sahib....jamiat ppl dont have oonchee shalwar ...even modudi sahib dont liked the idea.........second ...jamiat ppl dont have long sharee beared........so ???...........*
I knew enough jamiat people to know that was the case. maybe jamiaat has changed over the last decade or so. The point was that appearances and statements could be deceiving.
*ur moral is quite true.....pir sahib.if u start wearing a beared then it shouldnot be termed as an act by religous darhee wala person *
Thanks,
one more thing wearing army unform can not make u a solgire.........but if want to be in army u have to wear a uniform.....
The issue of darrhi is still a bit debateable. I have nto found anything so far which says that it is a must. But more so I have not found anything which says that u have t have a beard to be a good muslim, or you cant be cleab shaven and be a good mulsim.
and as your example goes different soldiers have diff uniforms :)
where did he say that?