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No its not a low blow. If you cannot discuss a position without being able to take the criticism then just dont discuss it at all
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Or perhaps he is also a critic? 
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You are only tied to traditions if you *want to be. *
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But giving preference to skinny jeans over traditional shalwar kameez, is that progress?
But it isn't going backwards either, it it? So why do some people oppose such changes? It's just neutral, so why do some people get offended by a girl wearing skinny jeans?
The bad thing is people trying to **impose their traditions on others. **Other than that, it's cool :)
Also, I really like your point about Dowry and girls getting married young without pursuing any career. It's unfortunate indeed that 95% of Pakistanis, both men and women will disagree with you.
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so why do some people get offended by a girl wearing skinny jeans?
i don't get offended...... i am all for mini-skirts for girls and speedos for the guys :D
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95% of Pakistanis, both men and women will disagree with you.
...and then he pulled a percentage out of his arse to add more juice to his comment.
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...and then he pulled a percentage out of his arse to add more juice to his comment.
I've been pretty polite with you man, but it seems you just can't stop offering your ass. In Pakistan among the lower and middle class, after FSc or BSc is considered the best age for marriage and most parents are like "Larki hai, par ke kya karna hai". Most Pakistanis aren't very happy about a girl working. Get out of your elitist shell edited
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...and then he pulled a percentage out of his arse to add more juice to his comment.
LOL. It s IceSoul after all. What do you expect?
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I've been pretty polite with you man, but it seems you just can't stop offering your ass. In Pakistan among the lower and middle class, after FSc or BSc is considered the best age for marriage and most parents are like "Larki hai, par ke kya karna hai". Most Pakistanis aren't very happy about a girl working.
BSc is a solid degree. People, especially girls, can marry young. That does not mean they have to put their careers on hold for ever.
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BSc is a solid degree. People, especially girls, can marry young. That does not mean they have to put their careers on hold for ever.
Doesn't mean they have to, but they do. Check the facts on the ground mate.
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Doesn't mean they have to, but they do. Check the facts on the ground mate.
They do only when they can afford to and are content living the life of begums at home. Plenty of women from all walks of life work when they are are not so financially privileged or have an aptitude of pursuing their careers. You check the facts mate.
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They do only when they can afford to and are content living the life of begums at home. Plenty of women from all walks of life work when they are are not so financially privileged or have an aptitude of pursuing their careers. You check the facts mate.
They lead the life of "begums" at home, agreed. In the long term this weakens the overall position of women since women control little wealth. It can be seen by anyone who is not blind that financially independent women are less likely to take abuse from their husbands.
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They lead the life of "begums" at home, agreed. In the long term this weakens the overall position of women since women control little wealth. It can be seen by anyone who is not blind that financially independent women are less likely to take abuse from their husbands.
If some women don't want to work, and would rather stay at home, then fair enough. If they have a degree they can become financially independent should the need arise.
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If some women don't want to work, and would rather stay at home, then fair enough. If they have a degree they can become financially independent should the need arise.
Baat ko gol mol kar gay na!
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It can be seen by anyone who is not blind that financially independent women are less likely to take abuse from their husbands.
where did abuse come in from??
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Baat ko gol mol kar gay na!
kia baat kar gaye!?
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I am all for criticism, but criticism is good as far as it’s objective, so instead of directing it at a certain ‘personality’, it should be aimed at their views or opinions. On an online forum like this, I think it’s best to see what is being said rather than who is saying it, to avoid prejudices and judgments to color our perceptions.
(My views and essays about contraception still hold as my initial stand was, but I don’t see how is it relevant to traditions since my views were based on religious grounds, or other than that my personal preferences - wherever applicable. So if someone wants to discuss those further, I’ll be more than willing, but this isn’t the thread for it)
Oh and nowhere did I mention that this was a thread about liberation from culture/tradition 
Its an open discussion where I wanted to know what others think on those given lines in my original post.
@IceSoul can you give authentic sources for the statistics/ percentages you have given?
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Oh great....
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They lead the life of "begums" at home, agreed. In the long term this weakens the overall position of women since women control little wealth.
84.95% of these women prefer to lead the life of begums. Why are you so hellbent on making women work if they'd much rather stay at home?
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But it isn't going backwards either, it it? So why do some people oppose such changes? It's just neutral, so why do some people get offended by a girl wearing skinny jeans?
The bad thing is people trying to **impose their traditions on others. **Other than that, it's cool :)
Also, I really like your point about Dowry and girls getting married young without pursuing any career. It's unfortunate indeed that 95% of Pakistanis, both men and women will disagree with you.
I used the skinny jeans example as a metaphor for all things un-islamic in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. Let me share with you an excerpt from an article I was reading about Salman Taseer's assassination:
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Javed Ali, 70, remembers how bars and cinemas once flourished in Pakistan, and dance parties were advertised in newspapers - admission price, 1 rupee. While visiting Karachi, Ali would go to The Moonlight Club, where dancers would entertain middle and lower middle class visitors. "Now, that's a dream," says Ali, who lives in the city of Multan in central Pakistan.
Mansoor remembers a more live and let-live society. "I was a handsome man and had good taste as well," he said. "I had many girlfriends and I would liberally take them to my home and nobody would mind. I would take my girlfriend to the beach and no police would harass us. But later on, the police would ask for marriage papers even if you were with your wife."
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That's exactly the Pakistan our ancestors fought for and our founders dreamt of, isn't it?!
Don't publish more research papers, don't fund more institutions, don't encourage your women to pursue education and careers, don't give equal opportunities to the rich and the poor, don't get rid of corruption and all un-islamic traditions but do let us wear skinny jeans and party with the girls in bars and on the beach.
I don't see how that's advancement of the society? I said I was all for positive progress that did some good for the community. Last time I checked, there were about 40 million children aged 5-19 years old who don’t go to school in Pakistan. These are the kind of issues we need to tackle and only then can we truly be a modern country that knows how to get with the times whilst holding onto its history and traditions.
With all that said, Pakistan is way more liberal than other Islamic countries so needless to say people can do whatever they want to, no one's imposing anything on them.