OG Bhaijaan, are you saying all deviant opinion holders are hacklers & rabble-rousers? And there is no obligation but it sure shows how protective & insecure the GOP is of their boss. They know very well that a single loud boo will make Bush nervous & probably baffle any thought he had in mind, which in itself is a rare occasion.
MV Bhaijaan, I am not perticularly against tax cuts but people like you will fire others to make up their financial loses any day, tax cuts or no tax cuts.
"OG Bhaijaan, are you saying all deviant opinion holders are hacklers & rabble-rousers?"
No, just YOU! :)
Strange how the poor economy under Bush is because of the previous administration but the economic miracle that was the 90's is only because of the Republican administration 10-15 before Clinton. Tax cuts are great, don't get me wrong, I am no Socialist. But the timing and the distribution of Bush's cuts was unwise and unfair. If these cuts have so positively impacted our economy why haven't you, and people like you, done more hiring? Again - the ONLY administration to have a net job loss since the Great Depression doesn't back up your assertions whether you factor in Enron, 9/11, "inherited recession", dot com bust or whatever the excuse of the day is.
As far as screening at campaign stops, this must be the first time in history that people have to sign endorsement forms in order to get a ticket to an event. It's just another cog in the wheel of arrogance, fake patriotism and protecting a president who cant think (or speak) unless it's scripted.
I am pissed at Bush for being the biggest Divider this nation has seen, especially when he campaigned as a "Uniter, not a Divider".
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MV Bhaijaan, I am not perticularly against tax cuts but people like you will fire others to make up their financial loses any day, tax cuts or no tax cuts.
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Well... Yes and No. It is, of course true, that if the choice comes down to me losing money or someone I employ losing money, Mr. Employee sees the door every time. But, the part you miss is far more interesting. I can only sell my product or service for a certain price to remain competitive. I know how much money I want to net after taxes to enjoy my life. If you start to take more in taxes from me, I've got to take more in wages to stay even. Where do you think the more will come from? I look around and decide to have the cleaning crew do my offices two times a week instead of three times a week. Other business people like me do the same thing. Pretty soon, the guy who owns the cleaning company has got to decide whether he takes a pay cut or whether he gets rid of an employee or two. Guess what choice he will make?
^ it is not that simple. 60% of US GDP comes form domenstic spending. Unemployment creates far more uncertainity in this index of economic health than tax cuts. $230 tax cut to a family of four means crap in terms of impact on the economy. .
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Seminole and UTD:
The tax cut was a HUGE success for our economy.
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myvoice your spewing a bunch of hot air, I was told By Bush and his buddies that millions of jobs would be created via Bush's tax cut, yet come this past June, come this past July any job growth went splat and the millions of jobs touted by Bush that were on the horizon have turned out to be an ugly lie and jobs that have been created are more often than not McJobs. Meanwhile Bush’s is digging his own grave, going around the country and making speeches how we've "turned the corner" while the reality is far from that. Myvoice, your tax cuts will be paid for by my children and my grandchildren so save your whining.
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I was told By Bush and his buddies that millions of jobs would be created via Bush's tax cut
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Well, to be fair, jobs were definitely created. Only they were in India and China. :D
Well, some economic geniuses here. First, historically we are at a very low unemployment rate. If you consider 3% to 3.5% to be "Full Emloyment", then we are barely 200 basis points above that, hardly a huge recession. In light of the fact that the employment base has still grown, this is not unreasonable. Have a huge number of jobs been created? No. Did Tax Cuts and Rate Cuts save jobs? Absolutely. Additionally, the administration has been slowly devalueing the dollar. This ultimately makes us goods more competitive, and slows the motivation for outsourcing. A declining dollar will do more than anything to respark manufacturing, and exports. This however is a drag on the economy, as some goods and services are now more expensive to Americans. Additionally the stock market is adversely effected by the declining dollar, something that drove foreign investment the opposite way during the Clinton years.
In short, there may not have been a huge number of jobs added, but disaster was averted, and a recession could have been much much worse. My conclusion is that all that can be done is being done interms of Macro economics.
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so you admit to at least one thing happening on Bush's watch.
Never did anyone have the balls to look towards this country in the last 10 years... it took a year of Bush as President and we couldn't defend our own borders.. talk about being 'strong on National Defense'.
Let's Fire the Liar.
OG when talking about unemplyment rates a 200 basis point increase is alot and nothing to be proud of (and it's higher in Ohio, the groundzero of battle states as you know). While you say disaster has been averted it very well could be looming, if the housing sector falls out, run for cover. So it sounds as if you think the Admin. has gone to far with weakening of the dollar?
Naysayers:
I just can’t get over all this hand-ringing about jobs. The ** average ** yearly unemployment rate in the United States since 1975 is … 6.4%. In 11 of those 29 years, the average yearly unemployment rate was over 7%.
Source: http://www.rescueamericanjobs.org/articles/pdfs/usa_1964-2003_unemployment.pdf
During GW’s 3 1/2 years in office, the unemployment rate has been as follows:
2001-- 4.8%; 2002 – 5.8%; 2003 – 6.0%; 2004 – 5.6%.
Care to guess the unemployment rate during the first three years of the glorious economic miracle that was the Clinton administration ???
1993 – 6.8%; 1994 – 6.1%; 1995 – 5.6%.
To be fair, Clinton inherited a higher unemployment rate than GW did. But if we’re going to ber fair, let’s be fair and realistic all the way around. Clinton also inherited a recovering economy that was driving the unemployment rate down. In July 1992, the unemployment rate was 7.6%. By June 1993 (before any economic policy of a new administration could even be put in place), the rate slid to 6.9%.
On the other hand, Bush inherited a low unemployment rate but one that was rising based upon a recession. In July of 2000, the rate was 4.0%. By June 2001 (before any economic policy of a new administration could even be put in place), the rate had risen to 4.6%. (And wonder of wonders, the unemployment rate shoit up almost a full percentage point in the immediate aftermath of 911. I’m sure even the biggest of you Bush bashers wouldn’t say 911 was part of GW’s economic policy).
DEMS are only emphasizing “job creation” because they can’t bash Bush on the “unemployment rate” or on a “worsening economy.”
C'mon, OG. Record trade deficits, record budget deficits, record job loss, record gasoline and oil prices, outsourcing jobs at record levels, 2/3 of the states have budget deficits (trying to take up the slack protecting their people that the Feds aren't doing) and "all that can be done is being done interms of Macro economics?"
Want to talk jobs lost? How many American workers are in these Heinz overseas factories?
HEINZ WATTIE'S AUSTRALASIA - Melbourne, Victoria, Australia
HEINZ SINGAPORE PTE. LTD. - Republic of Singapore
HEINZ WATTIE'S LIMITED - Auckland, New Zealand
HEINZ JAPAN LTD - Tokyo, Japan
HEINZ-UFE LTD. - Guangzhou, People's Republic of China
HEINZ COSCO - Qingdao, People's Republic of China
HEINZ KOREA LTD. - Inchon, South Korea
HEINZ WIN CHANCE LTD. - Bangkok, Thailand
HEINZ INDIA PRIVATE LIMITED - Mumbai, India
PT HEINZ ABC INDONESIA - Jakarta, Indonesia
PT HEINZ SUPRAMA - Surabaya, Indonesia
HEINZ UFC PHILIPPINES - Manila, the Philippines
HEINZ HONG KONG LIMITED - Wanchai, Hong Kong
H. J. HEINZ (Botswana) (Proprietary) LTD. - Gaborone, Botswana
KGALAGADI SOAP INDUSTRIES (Pty) LTD. - Gaborone, Botswana
REFINED OIL PRODUCTS (Pty) LTD. - Gaborone, Botswana
OLIVINE INDUSTRIES (Private) LIMITED - Harare, Zimbabwe
CHEGUTU CANNERS (Pvt) LTD. - Chegutu, Zimbabwe
HEINZ SOUTH AFRICA (PTY) LTD. - Johannesburg, South Africa
HEINZ WELLINGTON'S (PTY) LTD. - Wellington, South Africa
HEINZ EUROPE - Hayes, Middlesex, England
H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED - Hayes Park, Hayes, Middlesex, England
H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED - Rovereto, Italy
H. J. HEINZ COMPANY LIMITED - Telford, England
JOHN WEST FOODS LIMITED - Liverpool, England
H. J. HEINZ FROZEN & CHILLED FOODS LIMITED - Hayes, Middlesex, England
H. J. HEINZ COMPANY (IRELAND) LIMITED - Dublin, Ireland
H.J. HEINZ COMPANY OF CANADA LTD - North York, Ontario, Canada
OMSTEAD FOODS LIMITED - Wheatley, Ontario, Canada
ALIMENTOS HEINZ C.A. - Caracas, Venezuela
DISTRIBUIDORA BANQUETE, S.A. - San Josi, Costa Rica
HEINZ ITALIA S.r.l. - Milan, Italy
FATTORIA SCALDASOLE, S.p.a. - Monguzzo, Italy
COPAIS FOOD AND BEVERAGE COMPANY, S.A. - Athens, Greece
HEINZ POLSKA Sp. Z.O.O. - Warsaw, Poland
PUDLISZKI S.A. - Pudliszki, Poland
WODZISLAW, S.A. - Wodzislaw, Poland
ETS. PAULET S.A. - Douarnenez, France
H. J. HEINZ FROZEN S.A.R.L. - Paris, France
HEINZ IBERICA S.A. - Madrid, Spain
IDAL (Industrias de Alimentacc, Lda.) - Lisbon, Portugal
MIEDZYCHOD S.A. - Miedzychod, Poland
HEINZ C.I.S. - Moscow, Russia
HEINZ GEORGIEVSK - Georgievsk, Russia
CAIRO FOOD INDUSTRIES SAE - Cairo, Egypt
HEINZ REMEDIA LIMITED - Tel Aviv, Israel
STAR-KIST FOOD DB'OR LIMITED - Haifa, Israel
H. J. HEINZ GMBH - Dusselldorf, Germany
SONNEN BASSERMANN - Seesen, Germany
KONINKLIJKE DE RUIJTER BV - The Netherlands
HAK BV - The Netherlands
FOODMARK - The Netherlands
HONIG MERKARTIKELEN BV - The Netherlands
DRUKKERIJ DE GROENBOER - The Netherlands
H. J. HEINZ B.V . - Elst, The Netherlands
H. J. HEINZ BELGIUM S.A. - Brussels, Belgium
SERV-A-PORTION - Turnhout, Belgium
Arimpex Industrie Alimentari S.R.L. - Rovereto, Italy
Comexo S.A. - Chateaurenard, France
HEINZ EUROPE - UK and IRELAND - Factories: Chorley, Fakenham,
Grimsby, Kendal, Kitt Green, Leaminton, Luton, Okehampton, Telford,
Westwick
Kerry for President? Yeah, Right! :rotfl"
Peace To All Who Read This.....
Yeah Heinz is everywhere but Pakistan ... cos we can make our own damn katchup!
Nice try pockets, It a public company, Kerry not his wife have anything to do with it’s managment.
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Neither Mrs. Heinz Kerry nor Senator Kerry nor any of the Heinz trusts or endowments — either individually or collectively — holds a significant percentage of shares of the H.J. Heinz Company. In 1995 the Heinz Endowments and family trusts sold a large percentage of Heinz shares in a secondary share offering to diversify their holdings. As a result, their current holdings are under 4 percent.
Lucky you to be turned away.....:)
Visit the RNC website....and you will probobly start recieving phone calls...informing of Rally times...etc..
They call me and I have yet to vote Republican...
In fact...the only republican I like is John McCain...and I think???? (not positive) he used to be a democrat....
Lets talk about the new republican introduced law allowing employers to deny overtime pay to some employees........
Hey? Where is the law that denys CEO's perks, stock options, bonous'...and pay that is often 50 times more than workers....