We may not speak the language 100% perfectly, but that doesn't make us any worse or less cultured or less knowledgeable abut religion than kids born in Pakistan. You've heard it constantly before, same things happen in Pak and in USA but in Pakistan they're kept under cover whereas in hte USA it's out in the open.
Don't talk about arrogant ABCDs; one person will do something bad, you see one girl in a miniskirt or one guy drinking beer wiht his buddies and automatically all Pakistani guys and girls (more so girls) become trashy and degenerate and have no religion or cultural background. And you dare call US arrogant?
100% ABCD talk.......Nothing less nothing more...... :D
Then you are not a BBCD if you came here since you were 18.
Yeah and their parents themselves looked down upon their own cultural values, how can they care to teach their kids? **It is imperative that their generation will slowly assimilate in the Western Culture and I think it is more of a fault of the parents than the ABCDs/BBCDs/CBCDs. **
Bas ab mera moun aur na khulwao, aur sach bol diya na to sab ko shocks lagein gey When it comes to parents (one generation earlier than these confused Desis) there are things which I don’t wanna open. Simply pathetic…
Lahore981: I understand your point and I think it’s a very valid one that I would agree with. Whether we deny it or not, we “foreign born Desis” are influenced by the society that we live in. That is a fact, simply put.
But still I would like to comment on the way you behaved in this thread, which IMHO was unjustified:
The fact that Pakistanis who are born abroad do get influenced by the society they live in does not give you the right to give them bad names or call them degraded. It’s not their fault and neither is it the fault of their parents or forefathers. It’s the society they live in.
When I look at the situation of the youth in Pakistan, especially in the big cities, I see a lot of people adopting a VERY western culture while living in Pakistan. So I’m afraid this is not something that you can limit to foreign born Pakistanis. After all: The world is a village now.
I think you are blind to how the newer generation is more religious and more knowledgeable and curious abt religion than their parents or their Pakistani counterparts who have just combined religion and culture and are inable to or refuse to differentiate between the two. Judging by alot of what you've siad, you refuse to see any of that. I think your stubbornness in constantly pointing out how bad they are just shows your own bias and blindness.
Beta ji,
Your reply needs a little clarification. First of all you have not been to Pakistan, you don't know what are the reason for me making this argument. You look down upon Pakistanis, you find all sorts of faults in Pakistanis, you pass derogatory comments at your will, you claim yourself to be superior, how can this be labelled "unbaised" thinking?
If a fish lives in water, it only knows aquatic environment and for it, that is the way to survive. When you speak, you only idealise what you have that is the problem.
The women are not busy changing diapers. Stop being stupid here and making weak arguments. everything you say comes down to women feeling ashamed of being women (a gift of being raised in these countries). It is not when the child is to young to speak that he becomes an ABCD. It is when his consciouness and sense of self identity developes, when the child is able to think and that obviously isn't the time when their mothers are changing their diapers. Most stupid ill weighted thing I have heard from you. Just think over it.
The problem is that the parents in their own biased thinking believe that children can learn on their own without any guidance. They think it is not important to teach their children what they stand for. There is severe identity crisis developing in the kids which menifests are insulting and derogatory remarks about their origin. Parents are busy making money to make both ends meet. Who will pay the bills, who will pay the mortgage, the car insurance etc etc. That is where the patrents are busy. Hell with the "aulaad" hell with the kids. They don't have time to spend on thair kids. There is not structured upbringing, no family support system no supervision of elders and no elders in family to keep an eye on the kids. Even if there are, the environment of kids outside homes is too influential for the elders to handle. Parents think that by simply being in these countries their kids are superior than anybody else, especially from the people of Pakistan. How come the new generation not be degenerate?
Being religious means different for different people. Some people consider themselves "religious" and "Muslims" if they know how to say "Salaam" in English pronounciation, because that is enough for them. Some people think they are religious because they wear a head scarf and they don't feel bad having a boyfriend. Some peole have never offered prayer and they thing they are Muslims and more religious since they believe in one God and for them that is the only thing needed. Some people offer 5 times a day and yet they are so dishonest in their daily life, what the heck is that? How do you define religiousness then? Ia m no body to judge anyone like this, but I have to write it to answer your post only.
1) The fact that Pakistanis who are born abroad do get influenced by the society they live in does not give you the right to give them bad names or call them degraded. It's not their fault and neither is it the fault of their parents or forefathers. It's the society they live in.
2) When I look at the situation of the youth in Pakistan, especially in the big cities, I see a lot of people adopting a VERY western culture while living in Pakistan. So I'm afraid this is not something that you can limit to foreign born Pakistanis. After all: The world is a village now.
I know what I am writting and where I am hitting what. And I have my reasons to say that.
Simply, ABCDs/BBCDs/CBCDs have no right to look down upon Pakistani youth or people from Pakistan. I have my reasons and I can back anything I am writting. It is these "foreign born confused desis" who have a twisted view about People from Pakistan. It is they who don't see the bad in them before pointing finger at Pakistani.
Youth in Pakistan, I admit there has been deterioration since the globalisation and this media proliferation and no country of the world is immune to it. While you say that and you look at the social dynamics of the two countires, the situation is not comparable as the ratios of deterioration:maintenance is way different for Pakistan and these foreign countries. I or anyone from Pkaistan would never buy any such claim.
I rememeber, I F.C. College Lahore around the year 1993, there used to be bad boys around (which you seem to reference in your post) but they were all linked to the Western Countries somehow. Kids of foreigners sent to Pakistan by their parents for "various" reasons......
i think media has a lot to do with it.
open up any teen mags for young girls or boys
watch nickelodeon or even cartoon networks.
see how these 5 -16 years old act.
they are demi-adults with adult minds, gone amoral.
connotations, implied instinctual tenacity to material and physical pleasures
is what is magnified in the mags and that is what gets mostly televised.
so, saying that we should not question, what young parents are doing wrong, is a blatant irresponsible thing to say.
in the same breath, i would not even allow, if and when i had a child to play with kids of parents who have loose minds - do what ever u want to do, they themselves do things they know that are harmful and can instill unhealthy curiosity in the minds of the youngsters.
what is the fun in having fun, when u get hurt
emotionally, spiritually and morally?
bad girls and bad boys are always going to be around.
the question is not of ignoring them, but of preventing ones own from their negative behavioral effects.
So, we must keep our company clean and also train our younger siblings or friends, with
The ability to not get tempted by the glitz and glam of a made up artificial destructive life.
There is a difference between being trendy, fresh, enjoying one’s life and following destructive ways of living a wasteful immoral life, being in the illusion that it is fun.
compare a decent Pakistani youth gathering where there are still young boys and girls together, at Pakistan student associations across campuses in universities here or MSA events, lectures and even at a chai cafe, on someone’s birthday or graduation party,
with that what the abcd breed and all its variations do, in their free wheeling "chilling" atmosphere do & 'think' they can be clubbing and dancing and drinking socially, even taking drugs and sleeping around.
what a waste?
there is no comparison.
true that not all youth is bad, nor all Pakistani young men and women are dirty. yet, at this point, what we can do, is that all people who are right in their minds, will entirely walk away from bad company and not support unhealthy activities and do so consistently.
those who are not going to give up until they get hurt, well, will get hurt, & then there is damage done beyond reclaim.
moderation is another topic... possibly a good thing like picking and choosing nice trends from diff cultures or even by evolving one's own culture.
but, i find it hard to see why the difference between good and bad things is not universal. why we think that we can be pious but the world around us can be dirty and that is alright? how so?
And do you realize that you are doing the exact same thing? Looking down upon Americans, finding all sorts of faults ni Pakistanis in America, passing deragatory comments at your own will, you claim them to be inferior, how can this be labeled “clear” thinking?
And since when was what I said meant to be derogatory? Only you would think that since you happen to assume that all women here hate being women and find it demeaning to change diapers and raise children. You’re the arrogant stupid one here who cannot say anythign but “oh typical ABCD talking.” All you come up with are insults, instead of rational arguments.
Another weak point from you, typical. Nobody I know considers “saying Salaam properly” as being religious. But of course you think that because of your own typical low opinion of people born and raised here. Do your realize how stupid your own arguments and examples are? Think over it. It’s funny you should say you are nobody to judge anyone like this, and a few posts up you were saying that us, and our children will be so horrible that they will be insulting Islam and “throwing Quran in teh toilet.” And you say your’e nobody to judge?
God bless you my child to cope up with your not-so-matured relatives.
illiterate ppl talk like that. So dun you worry, hang in there, or hang them there
When it comes to parents (one generation earlier than these confused Desis) there are things which I don’t wanna open. Simply pathetic… 
