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I am really angry at those Saudi kings queens princes…
These s***** can not learn anything from the almost
annual tragedy during hajj ? :mad:
They make tons and tons money from the oil . they waste
money on any thing that is stupid and useless yet they
don’t want to spend a few dollars to make the location of
hajj just a little bit safer. Making the road a little bit broader
won’t cost you billionaires much. If you really don’t want to
spend any money on the infrasturcture then please train your
**** police a little better. After so many years of mass death
they still don’t take any measure to make the hajj a little more
orderly. Is is such an easy job however they could not do it !!! :mad2:

It seems to me that these dictators have become nothing but
a bunch of idiot pet dogs of their big daddy USA. the muslim
population is the second largese in this world however we
see a broken muslim world with its governments rush to join
USA’s pet dog family ! what a shame !

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Actually, they do alot. I went there myself, and learned of their plans as I had a chance to meet the chief architect of Bin Laden group of Companies.

And if you've been to jamarat, you'll know that it IS VERY WIDE! its HUGE! it can encompass people easily!!

And also, the chief told me they are planning to make it 5 levels. For extra safety.

Look, its not really that area, its the people. They need to stop getting so JAZBAATI, and follow the SUNNAH. They go out of their minds, and thats what causes death. Even if you had a BIG area, people still go crazy, and still will run over each other.

Its the people really.

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hmmmmm.. i've seen people getting all emotional, taking off their jooteez, throwing that.. taking like fruits and throwing that.. plus they take 'gumma' sized stones.. like bricks..wth? when u're instructed to take like .. 'kankaryaan' , why u need to go all hardcore on the first place?

place like that, imagine getting ur aim crapping on u and that stone hitting a person ? bhagdar machay gi na? i would hate it if i am working in gym and something hits my neck.. and thats hajj..

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sorry for my frankness but what your said are just nothing. remember this is
not the first time , not the second time, not...... If they are not idiots they should learn something from the past. actually it is not a very hard thing at all.
just put more policemen, let the people go one group after one group...
sigh...

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May seem hard to digest, BUT if this was a christian ritual , there would be much more discipline and orderliness. No one would push or mis-behave.
The reason ??? Admit it.. The christian (White / West / whatever ) world is far better educated and disciplined than the muslim world , a very very high percentage of illetrates is there during hajj. The only objective is to crush that devil by using stones. I havn't had the Saa'Dat of doing hajj myself, but a colleague of mine told me that a group of pakistani's was stoning and also throwing abuses at the shaitaaN. AND I MEAN ABUSES - the real ones.......
Now THAT IS GROSS.

Anyway, the bottomline is, this reflects the mass chaos that the muslim world is into, right now. People need to be educated, be patient, qualities that are missing from the Thirld world muslim ummah.

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No. It is the People.

Some people actually need to go there and see how jazbaati people become once they get there. its hard to control.

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I agree with Crescent, Faizy and yes Gulehro Billa bhai too, it’s due to lack of self
dicipline!!! ( <-I hope u spelt this right Jamis bhai, I copied u, midnight kay baad lafz kuch tairay mairay nazr aa rahay hain)

Like I’ve quoted in previous threads. People are blatantly ignorant! fo fum Well some are certainly! I know that the difficulties one experiences back at the holly rituals, its not to be moaned about, and I’m not! But PEOPLE!!! Arrgh, I can just eat them for the lack of civility they display! I was only doing umra, not even in the crowded season. Yet a pair of fat Auwn-teez that too apni pakistani (sharm ki inteha) bucking up each other in pure punjabi verses, “dhaka day kay rasta lay” … God I can never ever forget their faces. It was hard enough already for me to be doing tawaf with my four month old baby, yet to survive the pushing and pulling! Alhumdulilah my spouse grabbed hold of me, but regardless, it was really rude!
Jazbath mie kuch log bhool jatay hain, kay this is the ultimate test of selfless sacrifice. So what if we can not pray at Makam-e-ibrahim right away, we can always wait. I waited for a long time, trying to cover this brother who is in contineous sadja, crying profoundly when those auntiyaN tried pushing and shoving me aside. I was like, “Can’t you see this guy in sadja?! How can you allow urself to jump on top of him, just to get to the front?!” Anyway, I’m did give them a good killer look and made them a bit sharmofied! :o

So conclusions: Yes, its not the fault of the Saudi government. No matter how wide they make the structures of worship, the hearts of the people will have not effect. That will still remain narrow like their minds.

So calm down, and don’t be mad at the KSA, be mad at people, and humans since they’re created with a flaw. We can’t really do anything about it, since thats the Grand design of Allah subhan. Remember how poeple say, those that die during or right away after haj, go straight to janat. As a kid, I used to think, “Oooh they must be so lucky.” Well now that I know it happens this way, I may not really think their relatives are lucky, but atleast they are better off than us, who are still glued to the glitter of this world.

Alright better quit writing now,
Adios!
Daysee Behna :flower1:

ASSALAM-O-ALAIKUM.... Look Whoz Here :5:
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I know this is supposed to be a serious post, and I’m not supposed to do he ha… But Faizy, its impossible not to. so Haaaa haaaa :hehe: that is so true. People do get pelted. I wonder kay do they get extra points for that from Allah mian, to get additionally marofied with the pathar. Actually, an aunty of mine, took full advantage of the occassion, and she peltedher husband back there with all her heart. Serious! (unless she was just kidding, which I sincerely doubt) hehe hint hint to others