I was listening to Israr Ahmed’s lecture on Surah Qalam. During the prophet’s (SAW) time there were three kinds of people the companions, opponents (who openly opposed) and those who were inbetween (the hypocrites). So how do we explain this in current times?
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Are sure its Surah e Qalam? As far as I remember, Makki Quran doesn't deal with the hypocrites (Munafiqeen).
Pagan society of Makka had some values like acceptance of ones right to follow or not follow a particular religion (unless there are specific statement against their god). They didn't hide their opposition for what they didn't like.
Munafiqeen came into picture after migration to Medina (mainly Jews) and this topic is covered in detail in Surah Nisa and Sura e Toba besides small surahs like Surah e Munafiqoon.
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Are sure its Surah e Qalam? As far as I remember, Makki Quran doesn't deal with the hypocrites (Munafiqeen).
Pagan society of Makka had some values like acceptance of ones right to follow or not follow a particular religion (unless there are specific statement against their god). They didn't hide their opposition for what they didn't like.
Munafiqeen came into picture after migration to Medina (mainly Jews) and this topic is covered in detail in Surah Nisa and Sura e Toba besides small surahs like Surah e Munafiqoon.
I am sure he was discussing Surah Qalam, but I think he discussed munafiqeen as a side note.
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We have got government and taleban, both consider themselves to be right...where does that leave the Pakistanis who want some sort of rapprochement (for peace).
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Munafiqs are those fiendish elements within our society who wear the cloak of religion to justify their horrendous acts and ideals that cannot be justified otherwise.
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lota siyaasatdaaN...aaj idhar, kal udhar...thali ke baigan haiN saare ke saare! :p
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Peace,
I, about to open a thread on same title but with different POV. If Ali bhai don't mind may I share/ask in this thread or shall I open another separate thread?
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There are the sincere people who are on haqq
There are the sincere people who are on slight misguidance
There are the sincere people who are totally on misguidance
There are the people who are disenchanted with outward displays of religion but beliefs are true
There are the people who want to be good according to their own ideas and principles
There are the people who want to be self-serving and may be good to some
There are people who are generally spiteful but will hold themselves back at times
There are people who thrive off being harmful to others
There are evil people who will hide behind displays of goodness but intend fully to harm others
There are munafiqun from among the kufaar who are those who claim to be humanitarian but really are serving a selfish purpose like getting resources from other countries ...
There are lesser munafiqun from among the Muslims who will talk good things but in private will do bad things ... They may be ashamed of those things ... Like smoking or drinking wine or other private practice that is sinful. However, these people are greater in the sight of Allah (SWT) than those Muslims who openly say I'm going to drink or who admit their sins to avoid being perceived as hypocrites ... Those Muslim are being beacons to others to follow them and they have no shame left in them that prevents them from shying away from the public ... So the lesser munafiqun actually have a somewhat better chance because their own shyness or guilt may protect them ... Because such people are saying that their habit has gotten the better of them ... Whereas the others are making a statement that it is okay to do what they are doing ...
You will find that most people will fluctuate the above conditions based on their mood and mindset ... People will not always be stuck in any one of the above conditions ... The nufs is very good at tipping us away from the middle path ... That is why we should concentrate in working back to middle even if we fall ... That is what it means to be sincere ... It does not mean to be sinless but it means to get back repent and go back to being right again each time you fail you just keep going back ... Allah (SWT) Loves the repentant ones.
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I was listening to Israr Ahmed's lecture on Surah Qalam. During the prophet's (SAW) time there were three kinds of people the companions, opponents (who openly opposed) and those who were inbetween (the hypocrites). So how do we explain this in current times?
Hypocrites was a complex group within itself and certainly not synonymous to neutrals or "those in between" (neither is 'companions' synonymous to 'supporters'). It is a little more complex than that and I suggest you to list all the verses on one group- say hypocrites- from Quran and study these to see varying nature/intentions of the people that fall within it.
For comparison of Taliban and ilk the most relevant example from history of Islam is the case of Khawarij. Study of events around the battle of Naharwan and the speeches of Imam Ali towards Khawarij will make really interesting read for you (if you haven't read them already).
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Hypocrisy is everywhere now a days.
Irrespective of people follow deen or not, hypocrisy has become norm of today's society. Leave religion aside, see our daily life matters.
TTP are extremists, the way they want to enforce Islam on others is not the same way holy prophet (SAW) followed.
On the other side, we are hypocrites if we say Pakistan is Islamic country where actually anything can flourish from vulgarity on the media to propagation of gayism. You cannot convert people into Muslim but atleast there should be some Islamic base from which Islam can flourish.
There was a time when people used to listen to Islamic advice humbly and acknowledge if they have fault within them Islamically. But today, if you speak to someone, his/her immediate reply would be "I am a Muslim and I know everything, you don’t need to be holier than thou."
Actually people themselves do realize when they are being hypocrites then they tend to move away instead of nearing to Islam.
this is the "sincere" attitude that psyah talked about somewhere in between the line.
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Peace,
I, about to open a thread on same title but with different POV. If Ali bhai don't mind may I share/ask in this thread or shall I open another separate thread?
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While its difficult to define today's hypocrites and comparing them with those that are mentioned in Quran, the attitude of Muslim scholars to keep mum on killing of innocents, distributing awards of 'shaheed' and 'syed u shuhda' to killers of thousands innocent people (mostly Muslims) will definitely lead our next generations to ask 'what was the benefit of our forefathers accepting Islam and making a new country in the name of religion?' Those who remained non-Muslims are comparatively in better positions. At least, they got right to live and in our part of the world no one is safe from the so called followers of Islam (peace / safety).
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While its difficult to define today's hypocrites and comparing them with those that are mentioned in Quran, the attitude of Muslim scholars to keep mum on killing of innocents, distributing awards of 'shaheed' and 'syed u shuhda' to killers of thousands innocent people (mostly Muslims) will definitely lead our next generations to ask 'what was the benefit of our forefathers accepting Islam and making a new country in the name of religion?' Those who remained non-Muslims are comparatively in better positions. At least, they got right to live and in our part of the world no one is safe from the so called followers of Islam (peace / safety).
I personally think the actions of some people who are using violence to spread Islam (Shariah) will push people away from the religion altogether.
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While its difficult to define today's hypocrites and comparing them with those that are mentioned in Quran, the attitude of Muslim scholars to keep mum on killing of innocents, distributing awards of** 'shaheed' and 'syed u shuhda' **to killers of thousands innocent people (mostly Muslims) will definitely lead our next generations to ask 'what was the benefit of our forefathers accepting Islam and making a new country in the name of religion?' Those who remained non-Muslims are comparatively in better positions. At least, they got right to live and in our part of the world no one is safe from the so called followers of Islam (peace / safety).
I got what you mean but maybe you are not willing to understand the point.
let me give you a hint. those are silent, are not munkir of true jihad when required. they would actively join TTP if the were agreed with them.
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There is similarities and lessons we could learn from that period. However our current times are not those times
Two features of the hypocrites from the Prophetic period are 1) they would join Muslims for worldly benefits 2) they would try to harm genuine Islam
I wouldn't say the Taliban are hypocrites although they have elements which are innovators (bidaattis, mubtadis)
The pak government also has innovators, such as those whose loyalty is to America. I would say the Pak government is closer to Nifaaq then the Taliban (of Afghanistan). The pak government certainly has munafiqs in its ranks, although the possibility of them playing the Americans behind the scenes may absolve much of the criticism I am personally able to make regards them
The definition of Taliban is bit muddled in my head. I have heard many things about them including that some of those involved in Afghanistan, against Americans, are sufi sunnis! I do not know where to draw the line regarding what and who is Taliban
If the Pakistani people want peace and settlement of the situation then it bodes well for them. If the Taliban indeed do have a corrupt aqeedah, and wish to spread this, as is sometimes portrayed in the media then I would feel the Pakistani people are not obligated to help them beyond not supporting those fighting them. Although it would be better if the Pakistan people could help them from being attacked from outsiders then forbid the Taliban themselves. It seems the people do not have the power or the courage, neither do I, to carry out either of these actions, which is not a great situation but ok
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I got what you mean but maybe you are not willing to understand the point. let me give you a hint. those are silent, are not munkir of true jihad when required. they would actively join TTP if the were agreed with them.
silent support is as good as active participation. We don't want to understand and don't want say it loud , but unfortunately this falls under hypocrisy.
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Hypocrates are people who call themselves muslims but their actions are not in line with islam. The do not want to implement islam on themselve and promote for imposing kuffar based systems instead of Islam. This goes for those killing innocents in the name of islam and those compromising on islamic rulings.
Hypocrates in ahadith are many people incuding who speaks a lie. but these are basically trait of a hypocrate , real hypocrates in madina were people who apaprently became muslims but infact were non muslims.
Quran suggest a litmus test for hypocrates, and that is not going for jihad when needed.
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We have got government and taleban, both consider themselves to be right...where does that leave the Pakistanis who want some sort of rapprochement (for peace).
The government is not much different from Taliban. Shahbaz openly said that PMLN's aims are simila to Taliban. So government and Taliban are not the two extremes.
had the government been against Taliban, they should have started a military action against them.