Once again biasness of Match referees has come forward, If the above is not violation of ICC code of Conduct then god knows what is.
And since the English Captain is doing it he becomes defiant and not insulting, this is what Mr. Tim Lamb has to say :-
“I would describe it more as a gesture of defiance rather than insulting,”
"If he had waved two fingers then that would have been a different matter, but he was just being defiant.
“We need a bit of passion in the game and he’s a passionate person and it’s his passion that is one of his great strengths and as far as I’m concerned it was nothing more than that.”
And which clause of code of conduct are we talking about exectly ? (I may not know that) but I dont see anything wrong in Hussain waving hand and showing number "3" towards dressing room and press box
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Originally posted by Nakhrey Wali:
**And which clause of code of conduct are we talking about exectly ? (I may not know that) but I dont see anything wrong in Hussain waving hand and showing number "3" towards dressing room and press box
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This was very arrogant .He was mainly targetting Ian Botham.Critics are allowed to write what ever they think is right but players are not supposed act like a dumb.
Never saw someone being so happy about such a pathetic hundred.This pathetic hundred proofs nothing .It will be great for england if he goes down to batting order and either Vaughan or Flintoff plays at number 3.
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I agree with Asif that if the same gesture was made by a player from the sub continent he would have been charged with bringing the game into disrepute. It is the same old story if Aussies swear at their opponents it is called tough play, if players from sub continent do it they are bringing the game into disrepute. Imagine if the dirt in the pocket affair had been say Akram or Ganguly instead of Atherton, it would have led to a ban on those poor guys. Same when Akram and Waqar first started reverse swing it was ball tampering when Gough started the reverse swing it suddenly became an art. Hypocrisy all the way.
I dont understand this... Was Hussain pointing at some other cricketer and insulting him? I dont know since I have not seen the match, so it would help if you can clarify the pictures you have posted asif_k, as its pretty interesting as if he was insulting someone, he should be given warnings as I dont think our players (from indo-pak-lanka) would do such a thing from that far away (if he was insulting botham).
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Originally posted by Spock: I dont understand this... Was Hussain pointing at some other cricketer and insulting him? I dont know since I have not seen the match, so it would help if you can clarify the pictures you have posted asif_k, as its pretty interesting as if he was insulting someone, he should be given warnings as I dont think our players (from indo-pak-lanka) would do such a thing from that far away (if he was insulting botham).
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Spock
what happeend is that some English critics have been targetting Hussain in their columns. One of them being Ian Botham.They all wrote that Hussain shouldnot play at number 3. They said his strike rate is so low( in 60s) that he is not fit to be No 3. and they sugggested that players like Flintoss,vaughan or Irani should be promoted at 3 and he should come at 6 or 7.
But when Nasser got this hundred instead of acknowledging crowds appreciation he prefered to show his Jersy NO.3 towards the press box.and He was pointing to his back(No.3) in very arrogant way.
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He was basically pointing towards two English greats Ian Botham and Bob Willis. Hussain can't take criticism and also cant accept the fact that he is no good at no. 3.
I just think what would happen If Media starts picking on him the way it does on Ganguly whose every move, on and off the field, is looked thru microscopic eyes ?
coming on the topic - If you look at his gesture in the 2nd and 4th pic - He is clearly showing the finger towards the press box and even though I am no expert in reading expressions - He seems to utter the word.
AK
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Well, I dont like Botham, but Hussain should not have done this. He could have proven the critics wrong even if he hadn't done this after scoring his century... Infact, the slient approach would have proven his point in a better manner.
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Originally posted by Spock: Well, I dont like Botham, but Hussain should not have done this. He could have proven the critics wrong even if he hadn't done this after scoring his century... Infact, the slient approach would have proven his point in a better manner.
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yes you are right Spock, he should have kept quiet and let the facts speak for themselves.
I don't why even a simple gesture is being criticized, so what if he did that, he didn't insult anyone, if he would have done it to the Indian side than it would be something different.
Its about time cricket rules should be changed especially on field behavior, a player is not allowed to do a simple move, that is stupid.
Inzi last year in Natwest stood in the pitch for 10 extra seconds after getting out and he was penalized, and missed 2 matches.
Most rules are very stupid, and it should be changed to get more audience into the game, why do you think games like football, basketball are popular than cricket because cricket is boring just because of the nonsense rules made by the boring 70 year old English officials, I think cricket should have drastic changes to get the game to world wide audience, cricket will never go forward if these stupid rules keep the game boring.
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Originally posted by UMAIR316:
**I don't why even a simple gesture is being criticized, so what if he did that, he didn't insult anyone, if he would have done it to the Indian side than it would be something different.
Its about time cricket rules should be changed especially on field behavior, a player is not allowed to do a simple move, that is stupid.
Inzi last year in Natwest stood in the pitch for 10 extra seconds after getting out and he was penalized, and missed 2 matches.
Most rules are very stupid, and it should be changed to get more audience into the game, why do you think games like football, basketball are popular than cricket because cricket is boring just because of the nonsense rules made by the boring 70 year old English officials, I think cricket should have drastic changes to get the game to world wide audience, cricket will never go forward if these stupid rules keep the game boring.
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Imagine, Wasim akram and Tendulkar in a fist fight after a controversial decision, that will make cricket more interesting, but less respectable...
I'm not talking about the whities getting away from the things they do, eventhough its very true, but I'm talking about overall, it doesn't matter if he is black, white, red, yellow, these rules should be abandoned, cricket is very boring compare to football and even baseball.
I started watching baseball when I saw the Clemens and Piazza fight in the world series 2 years ago.
I think it would be very interesting to see Shoaib throw a one or two punches at Darren Leahman, that would be so comforting.
*Nobody would be in trouble for that gesture, no one. That was a gesture towards the press; not the ICC for God's sake. You people really need to clear your mind and stop whining about racial discrimination in every field of life. People, That Is All.*
Do you see what The People's ARTIST is painting here?
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**The Game Responds:
*Nobody would be in trouble for that gesture, no one. That was a gesture towards the press; not the ICC for God's sake. You people really need to clear your mind and stop whining about racial discrimination in every field of life. People, That Is All.*
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What about the 'ungle' (finger) he was accused (by certain ppl) of showing to Ian Bootha?
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Originally posted by the game:
** Was Ian Botham the match referee? An ICC official?; No, he wasn't. Then who in the freakin' hell cares? People, That Is All.
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Ian Botham was a spectator and a Media representative. Code of conduct restricts a player from making obscene gesture to a spectator.
Another example of English whinning was by GOUGH :-
"*One thing which I do feel contributed to India's win was the decision to change the ball midway through their innings.
At the time we had got over the initial 15 over slog, the ball had softened up, we were getting a bit of reverse swing and we felt we were on top. Suddenly, you are given a harder ball which fizzes along the ground and you concede more runs.
I do feel the number of times the white ball is changed is becoming an increasing problem, which needs to be sorted out.
The batsmen complain they can't see it once it gets some grass stains on it, but that's rubbish. As on Saturday, it's a tactic used to try and gain an advantage at the expense of the bowler. I'm not blaming India, most countries do it, but the authorities need to address the situation because it will scar next year's World Cup otherwise.
Bowling in one-day cricket is not much fun now anyway and this is another example of batsmen being allowed to manipulate the rules. "*
Here Gough is clearly criticizing the umpire's decision to change the ball, but no one will notice that, But If an Indian bowler says the same thing Entire Media will jump on him and ICC will immidiately suspend him for a match or deduct half his match fee.
I don't think that was an excuse to loose the match but it has become a problem in recent years, specially in 99 world cup, where almost every other match for Pakistan the ball was changed.
Don't get too excited their jumpy, I'm not giving an excuse, thats been the problem, and Pakistan has been the biggest victim, and btw the wc 99 final, the ball was not changed.
But it was changed the match before between Pak and Aus, which Pak won.
It doesn't matter because Pakistan is better than Australia rightnow and no changing the balls would stop us on March 23rd.