Hundreds killed on the HAjj!

[Mr_Fraudia]

Re: Hundreds killed on the HAjj!

@risc

If people followed the rules set out it probabaly would not end in deaths although it could still easily happen if someone weak trips down there is no room to stop. The crowd is such that you cant stop. There is immense pressure from behind to carry on moving. …People dont want to wlak back 2 miles to their tent to get the luggae before going to hotel or wherever they going so some carry it with them. The better organised tours took the luggage for hajis to hotel so it can be resolved.

risc i have taken 2 of your points and i think we agree on these, i just want to elaborate

1. the pressure from behind…it is due to pushing and shoving. its not all quiet someone falls down people behind him try to stop and they tell ppl to stop, they scream and yell begging people to stop, and others behind them do the same..but people dont stop, they think they are not right behind the point where someone fell so lets keep going and moving. I like the simpel idea of a loud horn or siren which means everyone freeze so everyoen can hear it and stop in their tracks. those who coninue to push and all should be packed up thrown in a local jail for a few days and then sent home no matter how holy pious old or how much they sacrificed to be there.

2. people dont want to walk back to get their luggage? well thats selfishness on their part, pick a tour operator that is going to do such babysitting, or bite the bullet and go back and get the luggage instead of endangering others, how much luggae does a pilgrim for hajj needs anyways when going for jamraat.