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Maudodi sahib ne bouhat patay ki baatein ki hain.......waqayi iss intehayi kaseer tadaad ka jo madrasson mein parhti hai iskay ilava koi masraf nahin ke masajid ko sambhaal kar baith jaain ya jahan masjid majood hai wahan doosray firqay ke naam ki masjid khol li jaaye .......
Kya shandaar nisaab hai jis mein Quran shaamil hi nahin......Yahi wajah hai ke Mulla Quran se dooooor bhaagta hai aur jo quran ka naam le uss par kabhi ehle quran ki phhabti kasta hai aur kabhi dil ki bharaas nikalne ko munkir e hadith keh kar khud munkir e Quran bana rehta hai......Saaf zahir hai jinko Quran samjhay bagher hi aalim ki sanad mil jaaye wo bhala aam masail mein Quran ke hawalay kyun dein gay, wo to fiqh ke hi hawalay dein gay ya rawyaat ke aur unhi ke mutabik Qurani ayaat ke mafaheem ko moartay rahein gay.......
Aur phir jis tarha fiqh parhayi jaati hai Maudodi sahib ne uska khoob zikr kya hai aur ye baat jitni such hai sab jaantay hain.......
Baqi mulk ki taraqqi mein ya Aalim e Islam ki taraqqi mein inn madaris ne ab tak kya kaarnaamay sir anjaam diye hain Ye madrassay qaumi maishat par bhoj hain jinse aisay hi loag nikal saktay hain jo islam ke naam par maal khaain warna bechaaray aur kya karain??
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Hummain apne Deeni Maddaris mein Jadeed Daur ka taleemi Nisaab bhi lana chahiye taakay Perhnay waalay bachoun k liye Aam mo'aashray kay andar zindagi guzarnay mein asaaniyan Payda houN aur Dono Deeni aur Duniya'V Elm se Makhlooq ko Roshni pohunchaayain.
[FONT=Trebuchet MS]Wase humhe bhi apna role play karna chiye taakay hum yea tu kah sakain ke hum nay ek achi zindagaye guzari.wase main na tu Engrazi taleem se mutafiq hoon na Madarsay ke kion ke humhe 10 years rataa aur reading hi karaye jatay hai.is se bahtar hai ke humhe ethics moral aur ikhlaqiyaat ke bare main dair se hi pata chalta hai.
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I think the solution is given by Islam... ie. Quran says that practise Islam fully. so we need to enter a sizeable portion of Islamic way of life in our normal education system ie. engineering, medicine, natural sciences and all other fields. So that every muslim person who comes out of this education system also knows along with his field that what is required to become a true specimen of a muslim. and what is really islamic way of life... so that our reliance on them decreases. and we are well aware of what is being said in the mosques and where there is a need for correction... when we ourselves what is wrong and right in islam then how can we blame others?
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Actually prob is tht we read lot of books but we dont force ourself to read and understand quran.we do tht we will do our best to make a good society.jaab society achi hoo jaye tu taleem main nikhaar paida hoo jata hai.abb zara yea post daikhain jo fitwaoon ke oper hai
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**Jahan tak Loudspeaker ka talluk hai to Qayaam e Pakistan se pehlay Mufti e Azam Pakistan Mufti Shafi sahib ne loudspeaker ke haraam honay ka fatwa diya tha, uss waqt loudspeaker naya naya aaya tha, mufti sahib ko maloom na tha ke loudspeaker kya hai aur kya kaam kerta hai unho ne aik HINDU jiska naam mujhe bhool gaya poocha se poocha loudspeaker ki working ke baaray mein aur fatwa diya ke loudspeaker “Islam” mein haram hai…Ye haal hai hamaray haan fatwon ka ke khud ilm nahin aur islami maamlay ke baaray mein fatwa dene ke liye ek hindu se raabta kya jaa raha hai, jab ye haal mufti e azam pakistan ka ho to chhotay motay mufti sahibaan ke fatwon ki to kya hi baat hai **
Ye aur baat hai ke aaj kal ussi haram cheez ke bagher hamaray kisi maulvi ka guzara nahin :d
**Jahan tak Eye Translplant ki ya kidney translplant ki baat hai to door kyun jaain aap aaj hi kisi “aalim e deen” se pooch lijiye ke ye islma mein jaiz hai ya nahin **
Maudodi sahib ne eye transplant ke haramn honay par jo wajah pesh ki wo sun-ne ke qabil hai
Unki jamaat ka mauqaf hai ke “Islam ne murday ki izzat o takreem ka hukm diya hai,lehaza agar hum ne zinda logon ke faiday ke liye murdon ke parts of body ki transplantation zinda logon mein kerne ki ijazat de di to ho sakta hai ke murday ke tamam parts kisi zinda ko laga diye jaain (maslan heart,kidney,eye) iss tarha murday baqi hi nahin bachain gay to unka ehtaram kesay ho ga lehaza ye fitna hai aur islam mein iski koi gunjaish nahin”.
Yani agar kisi murday ki ankhon se kisi zinda ko saari zindagi ke liye bee-nai mil sakti hai to ussay bee-nai se mehroom rakhain , usko rehne dein kyunke ussay bee-nai ata kerne se “murday ki bay hurmati” hoti hai aur ye cheez islam ke khilaaf hai, yani andhay ko aankhein mil jain to ye islam ke khilaf ho ga aur agar wo ankhein murday ke saath zameen mein dafan ho kar gul sarh jaain to ye islam ke mutabik ho ga…
Aap andhon ko aankhein denay ki baat kertay hain, agar hamaray mulla ka bus chalay to ye to zindon ki ankhein bhi noach ke unhein apnay jesa bana lein…aisay hi fatwon ne to islam ko duniya mein badnaam ker rakha hai
Jabke zinda afraad agar kisi ko kidney etc donate karain to ye bhi inn mulla hazraat ke nazdeek khilaf e islam hai kyun ke iss se zindon ki bay hurmati hoti hai :d
Aur haan iss faislay ke khilaaf awaz uthanay ka haq kisi ko nahin kyunke iss par hamaray takreeban sab firkon ke ulama ka ijmaa hai aur ijmaa ki duhayi dena inkay paas wahid ilaj hai apni aisi baaton ko manwanay ka jo aqli taur par qaabil e qabool na hon…
**Wesay jis tarha loudspeaker ko haram keh kar ye loag puchhtaye hain umeed hai ke eye transplant etc ke maamlay mein bhi ye loag apnay fatwon pe ghaour karain gay… **
Also see
http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=977
**Hamaray ulama ke nazdeek to ankhon mein contact lens lagana bhi haram hai **
http://www.albalagh.net/qa/0076.shtml
Aapko ab kya kya fatway dikhaye jaain, ye loag to islam ko itna sakht mazhab dikha kar pesh kertay hain ke jahan har dosray qadam par pabandiyan hain, aur mazay ki baat ke kisi fatway mein na to koi Quran ka hawala na hi koi Hadith ka hawala…Kyunke jab ye loag fatway detay hain to khud hi shariyat hotay hain.
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ImranJaff:
Why do you have bad habit of bringing things (your scanned pages) without reference?
Are you completely unaware that most people today who come to these forums want proofs and references? or are you in trying to pull a fast one infront of others?
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You are quoting Maududi. He and his Jamaah are clear followers of Quran and Sunnah. They don't reject the Sunnah. You reject the Sunnah. So there is no parable between you and him. Unless you have had a change in heart now!
Yes he was a critic of the general setup of typical Madarassa type institutions. And it was for valid reasons. But even his jammah has madrassahs/schools. Even they teach and learn Quran And Hadeeth together. And that is the whole point that you reject. Islam is complete with the two together. When understood correctly provide the foundation for an Islamic System. Neither one alone can do it.
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I just mention Maududi because of His good sense here.I m not a blind follower u know reading books and getting the true knowledge of Elim e rijal is my goal of life.if u want to prove tht sunnah is true word of Muhammad(pbuh).i will follow tht but unfortunately this is the whole concept of Ahle Iran and majjosi.I mention my all post with refrence but the people r blinds follower.Thts why i dont accepts thing which r against quran.Agar app bhi is ko daikh lain tu kia baat hai.Mujhe tu logo nay kia kia kah dia pervaizi Kafir lakin mere ek post ka bhi reply with logically nahi day sakay.
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http://www.answering-ansar.org/
Maderssay are pushing people into the darkness and ignorance do not support any maderssa - WHAT was the purpose of deni taleem - To create a progressive society covering Islam and Science. Are these maderssas doing this if not then REJECT them and save children who are thrown by their ignorent parents in the hell maderssas. Secondly STOP parising invalid Shakhain as leader and invalid sahabas follow leader who is spotless. Consider Imam Ali (A) first
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Now our shia bhai speak.Whts wrong with u guys.Sahaba was the rafiq of muhammad(pbuh) and Allah said Muhammad (pbuh) In se mashwara kia karain yea Ummat ke bahtarin log hai.And Called the RAZI ALLAHTALAH ANHA means Allah in se Razi hoo gaya.Yea hi baat bhai jo madaras main kar rahi hai aur humharay Mullah and muftiz masajid aur Imam Bargha main Dont hurt people app ko is bare main soochna nahi chiye balke app ko jo farsooda aqayait hai in per nazar doorain aisa na hoo ke dair hoo jaye.
Na Hum sunni rahi na shia
hum tu abb musalma hoo gaye
daikha quran tu samjh gaye
riwayaaton ke chakar se bach gaye
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i partially agree with you but the bigger part of the Islam is in actions... we r not putting our lifes on the pattern which Islams wants even if we know it.. we follow just what we see easy and doable... As Quran Says : My prayers, my sacrifices, my life and death is only for one and true Allah :
Its good to know but its even important to act.. only knowing and not doing as said by Quran is worse than not knowing at all. but this shouldn;t mean that we should stop seeking the truth.
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So you are finally revealed. Alhamdolillah. If you follow the teachings of Shias scholars it is fine. May Allah SWT guide you is all I can say but I won't stoop to your level and throw mud at Shia beliefs and books like Tanqeeh Al-Maqal Fee Elm Al Rijal etc...
But don't attack hadeeth under cover! Say you are read Shia books and are learning the "stuff" from them that you are posting here!
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if u want to prove tht sunnah is true word of Muhammad(pbuh).i** will follow tht but unfortunately this is the whole concept of Ahle Iran and majjosi**.
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huh?!! you are really confused... How are iranis against your own Shia books that you are referring to?
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I mention my all post with refrence but the people r blinds follower.
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Not true. Your many posts are just scanned pages with no reference as to where you took them from.
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Thts why i dont accepts thing which r against quran.Agar app bhi is ko daikh lain tu kia baat hai.**Mujhe tu logo nay kia kia kah dia pervaizi **Kafir lakin mere ek post ka bhi reply with logically nahi day sakay.
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Read the post from the other thread again. I did not call you a pervaizy. I rather said " those who reject hadeeth blatantly are pervaizy's and other like them. And then I asked for you to explain who you are!
Since you did not respond untill now, the ball was in your court.
And now we know that you are learning from Shia books. So that is atleast clear.
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Read the post from the other thread again. I did not call you a pervaizy. I rather said " those who reject hadeeth blatantly are pervaizy's and other like them. And then I asked for you to explain who you are!
Since you did not respond untill now, the ball was in your court.
And now we know that you are learning from Shia books. So that is atleast clear.
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Well brother i m imran Jaffary.i belong to jaffary family but i m not shia.and wht thing hve been realized u tht i m shia?.and i m clearling tht i m not pervaizi too.I read lot of authors like Tammana Emadi Salman nadavi Allama mashriqi Malik sultan mahmood Allama iqbal Sir syed Mahmood ahmed abbasi Allama pervaiz but my most concentration is to accept the truth main tu in sab per bhi tanqeed kar daita hoo.agar yea khilaf e quran hoo tu wase bhi main hadees reject aisay nahi karta agar woh quran ke againt hoo tu is ko accept nahi karta app ko shayaad pata Muhammad(pbuh) ke zamanay Main iran ke wase o ariz saltan thi aur sab zada tar Yahoodi aur Zartarash thai.tu yea imamoo ka chakar bhi wahaan se hi aya hai.Wase mere nazdik tarikh kabhi bhi haqeeqat nahi hooty os main waqt ke sath aqaid ajatay hai.Is liye main is ko manta hi nahi aur quran ke liye tu main itna kah doon ke is nay on alfaz ka maffom bhi bataya hai jo waqt ke jazooyaat ke sath tabdil hoo saktay thai lakin Allah nay in alfaz ke means quran se hi akhaz karnay ka kaha hai.Jaisay Sabar shukar Salaat din Is liye quran apni lughaat app paish karta hai.Beecharay humharay shia aur sunni bhai in imamo ko hi sanaad day baithay.wase app ko ek haraat angaaz baat bataoo yea saray Alim e din Pervaiz sahaab hi lughaat parhtay chahay deobandi hoo ahle hadis aur app ko yea bhi bata doo ke Qadyani Kafir is liye qaraar diye gaye thai ke pervaiz sahab ke ek lecture se judge nay nabi ke defination daikhi thi.Aur yea mufti aur mullah e din 10 years taak adalaat ke chakar kaatay rahi aur yea sabit hi na kar sake ke nabi koun hoota hai.YEa tu muslim ke bhi defination nahi bata saktay na salaat ka mafoom na roozay ke jazooyaat aur na hajj ka mafoom sab ko pilar of islam kah kar din ka concept change kar dia din ke defination yea hai
Din
Suray maaoon
Kia tunne is shakas per ghoor nahi kia jo Allah ke din ko jhootalata hai woh hai jo bay sarah loogo ko dhakay daita hai aur jo afraad kisi wajah se skin hoo jain on ke ghaizai zarooriyaat taak baham nahi poochanay ke targhib nahi daita tabahi hai on musalin (namazi) ke liye jo apni salaat se bay khabar hain jo namazain dhikaway ke parhtay hai aur rizaq ke shar chashmoo ko rook daitay hai woh (ke zarooraat mando taak na pooch payaeen )(107/1-6)
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Agar app log bolain tu main App logo ke liye qadyani ke woh case ke highlight day sakta hoo jis main in ko kafir karar dia tha lakin bhai mujhe in lagaab se door rakhain shia sunni pevaizi kafir munkir e hadees.Is ka koi faida nahi kion ke main in sab ko manta hi nahi.agar app bolain tu main sir syed aur Allama pervaiz ke Life ke bare main bata sakta hoo Ke yea log kion quran se roojo kar gaye aur in ke zahaan main yea baat kion ayee ke quran ke tashreeh sirf quran hi kar sakta hai.aur Allama mashriqi nay hi is ke bunyaad rakhi thi
i m waiting agar app logo bolain tu main in saab ke bare main likh sakta hoo jo abb taak mainne parha hai lakin app chahayeen tu in per bhi tanqeed kar saktay hai kion ke yea log bhi bashar thai aur bashri zindagaye app ko pata hai ke kia hooty hai.lakin main zaroor chahoon ga ke app ko in ke bare main maloom hoo pahlay bhi in ko read nahi karta tha kion ke main bhi ek mazhabi adami tha phie din e Allah ke tafar roojo kia aur apni samjh aur boojh se in sab ko read kia
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Maudodi Sahib Ya Munkir e Hadith **Aaj tak maudodi sahib aur unkay “Aqeedat Mund” doosron par hi munkir e hadith ka fatwa detay rahay, aain aapko tasveer ka doosra rukh dikhain, main bouhat c writings pesh kar sakta hon jis se Maudodi sahib ka “munkir e hadith” hona sabit ho ga lekin filhaal aik do misaalon par hi topic ke hawalay se baat karta hon… Shah Abdul Azeez, Shah Wali Allah, Allama Ibne Jozi aur kayi muhaddiseen kay qaul pesh ker sakta hon ke wo bhi yahi kehtay thay…Lekin aaj sirf Maudodi sahib ka aik roop apko dikhana maqsood hai,Agar koi doosra shakhs kisi hadith ko ilm o aql ke manafi qarar de day, kisi hadith ke raaviyun ko jhoota ya naqabil e aitbaar sabit ker de, muhaddiseen ke bataye huway asoolon mein se koi asool apply kar ke kisi hadith kay baaray mein ye kahay ke ye Rasool(PBUH) ka qaul nahin ho sakta to aisay logon ko Maudodi sahib aur unkay Fans “munkir e hadith” kehtay hain…Aaj aapko dikhata hon ke khud maudodi sahib ne aik aisi hadith ka inkaar apni tafseer mein kiya jiskay baaray mein wo khud dawa kartay hain ke iskay raavi mustanad hain, ye hadith sahi bukhai aur sahi muslim dono mein majood hai aur aik baar nahin kayi kayi baar repeat ho chuki hai…Mulahiza kijiye ke Maudodi sahib iska inkaar kar ke khud apnay hi fatway ke mutabik “Munkir e Hadith” bun gaye 
**http://www.tafheemulquran.org/Tafhim_u/038/pages/page023.htm
Iss page par last paragraph parhein jiska start hota hai “Teesra Garoh Kehta hai…” Aur ghaour kijiye ke jo kuch Maudodi sahib ne kaha hai wo aik “Munkir e hadith” ki zuban nahin??? Lekin phir bhi dhitayi se doosron ko ussi baat par munkir e hadith kehna jo khud kar rahay hon kya munafqat nahin?? inn “ulama” ki bay tauqeeri ka bais bhi yahi munafqana ravayyah hai k jab apnay mukhalif koi hadith dekhi fauran radd kar di chahay wo bukhari ki ho ya muslim ki aur asnaad ki base par nahi “Aqal” ki base par aur jab koi aur aisay karay to phir fatway bazi…khud dekh lein, jis baat ka ilzam doroo per lagaya woh kia hai