Humanity Needs and Technology

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OK. The reason I stopped listening to her is not because I did not want to. It was that she herself kept getting off tract and kept talking irrelevant things, like women from her village, pardhan mantri and kitchen and food available right there.

I had a question for her right there, did she check her food before she ate if she ate at that place? :smiley:

Now, coming to the videos. They show there are evil and money oriented people who are using ‘technology’ wrong way.

The corporates might be doing it without actual intention to harm people but none of the videos actually determined with proof that what these speakers were saying is actually true.

At least the first speaker verbally quoted some findings and studies but no proof.

He talked about Bt (Bacillus thuringiensis) insecticide. But all it is a naturally occurring bacteria which is ubiquitous.

It gets insects off of our food and is readily killed by sunlight. And one can assume it will be destroyed by cooking or heat.

Bacillus thuringiensis

The speaker did not make a speech about harmful effects, rather he wanted people to know and have these food items be labeled. That’s all. He himself said it.

Regardless, the technology is the reason why we as mankind can even find what is wrong with technology used wrong way.

There was a reason for these pesticide (sounds horrible but all it is a naturally occurring bacteria) to develop. Crop was getting killed by insects and people started using it.

Please search bt insecticide.

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Nested within what you have written is my point …

  1. Not enough thought is given to real benefit to mankind
  2. Measures are being taken circumvent the possible ills or correct information just so people can continue making money from their technology.

technology in the purist sense is neutral … It is not neutral in the real world … Because it is backed by profit making organisations and the wisdom is that there is very little overlap between what is truly beneficial and what is made available to the technology using masses.

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Dont compare children with "mature" human being.
However I have made my point, where you have acknowledge that problem exists at one, that simply implies that problem do exists at the other end which you trying to avoid accepting then acknowledge. But, for the sake of argument, if you persist that problem does not exist at the other end, even then, my point is made that problem exists.

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Please dont assume that all the people hate religion, if you dont like religion.
why not try to reply people directly you are disagree with?

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Does bolded part mean govt should not regulate food selling and let people sell whatever they want?

Prove your last line by some example of some street of some locality of Saudi arabia.
Laws regarding food control are in place in all the counteries, its another matter that wheteher they implement it or not.
P.S. I mentioned Saudi Arabia cuz my relatives have been living there for several years.

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You said what I have been saying.

it is the human who use or make technolgy bad.

Why not?

I gave perfect example of falling in to temptations. And when speaking of temptations, adults are not different than children. In being adults they are worse than children since they have no excuse. A least children have excuse of being children.

I never said problem does not exist on the other end. I even compared to problem creating people with shaitan.

Moreover I said I can write how evil corporate culture maybe in post #54.

"I am completely aware of how (evil) corporates allure people to buy their products and how they try to scam people to continue to spend more money."

I am not sure what you want to discuss further.

1- If it is about technology then we both seem to agree it is neutral by itself.

2- If you want to say there is wrongful use of technology. I have already said that.

3- If you want to not blame consumers and take them off their responsibilities or try to create consumer versus corporates paranoid analogy of good versus bad then I disagree.

4- If you say laws and regulations are needed for everyone not just for corporates, then I would agree. But not when corporates or technology inventors are unilaterally bashed without giving thoughts like in above video.

Please decide what you want to discuss further. Or just carry on. I see the discussion not going anywhere as it is. :)

Sir! You asked me about developed countries and I gave you example of ice-cream vendors selling it on a van in developed countries. KSA is not a developed country.

(Golay are not in developed countries culture but similar items are sold everywhere and people are free to buy them)

Also KSA does not stop people buying harmful items not even cigarettes. "Evil" corporates make cigarettes and people buy those free everywhere.

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I think it would be better to separate the term and concept of "invention" from "technology" ... the former is a discrete act the latter is an organic system a component of which is the human being. The types of people pave the architecture of the technology - although invention might be based purely on what Allah (SWT) allows to be discovered by us at a given point in time.

Diwana I think the difference in what you and I were saying is that I am saying ...

"That technology as it is manifesting is through the intent of people to exploit other people - there is nothing that we can do to remain unaffected by that intent - merely our approach towards could ensure either a slow affect or a fast one - but not an entirely issue free one as a human species"

You on the other hand are saying:
"Technology and the reasons it is made available to us does NOT affect us - WE use it badly - i.e. the intent of the makers of technology has no affect on us - bad use is purely our own doing"

So the difference between us when I say "technology in its purest sense" - I meant it in the view of "invention" - it is possible to invent or discover nuclear power ... The better thing to have done was to "leave it alone" ... It is possible to alter DNA as we have discovered to bring out certain traits - the act itself may be neutral, but if we practice it - then it brings harm despite our better judgement ... We are warned not to change the creation of Allah (SWT).

Anything has two factors behind it ...

"The intent and use of the invention as a fragment of society"
"The intent and use of the invention as a personal device"

The intent of certain technologies have been for maintaining power and control over our minds ... we will be covered and surrounded in it - simply saying our personal contribution is good therefore the technology is neither good nor bad is a problem. Things like technology should not be judged on personal use ... they should be judged on trends in society. Just like alcohol ... we can find for sure people who use alcohol in moderation and indeed for medicinal value ... but we need to look for trends in society to SEE why Islam has deemed it absolutely forbidden for random use.

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your question "What do parents do when children ask for gola or icecream?"
If you think that some one should be there to tell "mature" human beings that you do not need the latest smart phone same as parent keep their children from bad things then it proves my point that there should be a controlled technology advancement.

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I never said problem does not exist on the other end. I even compared to problem creating people with shaitan.

Moreover I said I can write how evil corporate culture maybe in post #54.

"I am completely aware of how (evil) corporates allure people to buy their products and how they try to scam people to continue to spend more money."

I am not sure what you want to discuss further.

1- If it is about technology then we both seem to agree it is neutral by itself.

2- If you want to say there is wrongful use of technology. I have already said that.

3- If you want to not blame consumers and take them off their responsibilities or try to create consumer versus corporates paranoid analogy of good versus bad then I disagree.

4- If you say laws and regulations are needed for everyone not just for corporates, then I would agree. But not when corporates or technology inventors are unilaterally bashed without giving thoughts like in above video.

Please decide what you want to discuss further. Or just carry on. I see the discussion not going anywhere as it is. :)

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My point is problem exist at the both end. *Topic was "Considering the craze among people and marketing of latest stuff as need, is world heading in right direction?" *
If you agree that problem do exist at the other end then there is no dispute.

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Sir! You asked me about developed countries and I gave you example of ice-cream vendors selling it on a van in developed countries. KSA is not a developed country.

(Golay are not in developed countries culture but similar items are sold everywhere and people are free to buy them)

Also KSA does not stop people buying harmful items not even cigarettes. "Evil" corporates make cigarettes and people buy those free everywhere.
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Please, consider my point that if vendors sell unhygienic things does that mean govt should not exercise law regarding food control, instead of refuging in debate of words like developed or not developed.

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